i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[Lycanfire]

So far you've really given us nothing. That's a valid complaint. Sure, QO looks bad. I've agreed with you on that all game. Saving us the RVS commentary would have helped.

You need to know when to hold 'em n shit like that Ranger.

[Quiet Owl]

ye cannae hold a wurm

[Ranger]

I don't have a concern about your reads as much as I have a concern HOW you shared them. Your continual popping in to shade the entire wagon wasn't pro-town. It was agenda based.

And when did I start doing that?

Certainly not for the majority of the game.

Perhaps I started doing that when, oh...you know? Influenced?

I

did

have an agenda. I didn't want another townread of mine to die; I wanted to eliminate a scumread. These behaviors are uncharacteristic of me, but not scum-indicative of a certain playstyle that

has

an agenda when town. A style that gets stubborn about beliefs and doesn't like it when the game doesn't go her way and is deliberately manipulative to try and make it so she gets her way. It was there in 1327, 1335, 1369, so the influence had creeped in, but it wasn't present in

full

until 1374, after which the influence was in almost every post. I can see that style in 1398, 1402, 1404, 1422, 1762, 1765, 1774, 1777, 1780, 1783, 1785, 1786, 1787, 1865, 1868, 1869, etc. The influence grew without me realizing it.

I'm cognizant of the influence now and will be more conscious in averting it. You can't deny there's a notable difference in certain posts compared to others and most of them are in the latter half of D2 when the influence came in.

[Ranger]

My only complaint is that I feel like you're trying to start a pity party and we're all invited here.

I've a vested interest in not claiming as my role loses a great deal of utility when claimed. If forced to, you'd unvote, but I'd rather avoid it. The easiest way for me to avoid being forced to claim is to demonstrate why I wasn't scum for the wrong read and demonstrating towniness through insight.

[Ranger]

So far you've really given us nothing.

It is not nothing. It is perhaps less valuable than content from other areas of the game. Being less valuable does not mean it holds none.

I've given a reasonable timeframe for completing the analysis. This is a game with no deadline. I am stating intent to read

one hundred pages

over the course of

two days

.

Complaining I started on the "least valuable" part is unreasonably harsh imo.

You need to know when to hold 'em n shit like that Ranger.

You literally just told me I wasn't displaying my signature transparency.

Had I skipped the rvs commentary, that'd have been skipping my signature transparency.

Make up your mind.

[Ranger]

The problem with the Ranger gimmick is that she isn't doing it anymore. Can only keep up the act so long if you're scum.

(The Ranger gimmick is transparent reads constantly updated. I am giving transparent reads constantly updated.)

[Ranger]

Reminder of notes;
UltimateGamer has been conftown'd by a desperado.
{Titus, imaginality} may not be confirmed not scum, but they're incredibly unlikely groupscum, so I'm assuming they're probably town for the sake of scumbuddies hunting.
Lycanfire I am assuming is town for the analysis done yesterday, but not conftown.
All other reads are developed as we progress.


New P11:
{UltimateGamer}
--
{Titus, imaginality}
--
{Lycanfire}
{McMenno, MathBlade}
{Gimli, Prince of Paterson}
{Enchant}
{Not_Mafia, KittyTacky}
{HighPrincessErinys}
{furtiveglance}
{Quiet Owl}

New P12:
{UltimateGamer}
--
{Titus, imaginality}
--
{Lycanfire}
{McMenno, MathBlade}
{Gimli, Prince of Paterson}
{Enchant, Not_Mafia, KittyTacky}
{HighPrincessErinys}
{furtiveglance}
{Quiet Owl}

New P13:
{UltimateGamer}
--
{Titus, imaginality}
--
{Lycanfire}
{MathBlade}
{McMenno}
{Gimli, Prince of Paterson}
{Enchant, Not_Mafia}
{KittyTacky}
{HighPrincessErinys}
{furtiveglance}
{Quiet Owl}

New P14/15/16:
{UltimateGamer}
--
{Titus, imaginality}
--
{Lycanfire}
{MathBlade}
{McMenno}
{Gimli, Prince of Paterson}
{Enchant, Not_Mafia}
{KittyTacky}
{HighPrincessErinys}
{furtiveglance, Quiet Owl}

New P17:
{UltimateGamer}
--
{Titus, imaginality}
--
{Lycanfire}
{MathBlade}
{McMenno}
{Gimli, Prince of Paterson}
{Enchant, Not_Mafia}
{KittyTacky, HighPrincessErinys}
{furtiveglance, Quiet Owl}

KittyTacky's 264, I struggle seeing the town motivation behind it. 268 I'm more conflicted on. The first half is plausibly town, the second half looks scum. 309/310, though empathetic, I feel demonstrate knowledge Gamma was town, since it feels like the "if Gamma is scum" was added as an afterthought to what spewed knowledge Gamma was town. (I feel terrible for essentially saying basic human empathy is +scum, but it's the specific wording/post order which gives me those vibes, not the message itself.) I'm disliking 414, 415, and the explanation of the townread on me in 416 feels forced. 417 feels deliberately weak as a defense of Gamma.

imaginality's 292 radiates 3p vibes. While he's right in 426 scum likely voted him, I still feel his approach and mindset is nontown indicative.
I maintain {Titus, imaginality} as 3p from 364.

I'm not liking 294/295. Gamma Emerald had already done the callout; the only addition was my name, which was out of place. 304 is true, but a comment I feel is +scum to make. 311 is +scum; a lack of scum candidates is more commonly from scum. The callout of Ranger/Quiet Owl is out of place, and the commentary on StD/Gamma doesn't look town. 358 is both opportunistic and cautious, encouraging pressure on a non-scum player while avoiding accountability for being on the wagon. 365 also feels out of place given HighPrincessErinys's focus on Frogsterking. 402 I

see

the town motivation for, but gutwise currently feels +scum. The language choice in 473 feels suspect: "feels weird" rather than 'scum'. 484 describing the post as 'interesting' is also a suspect word choice.

Disliking Enchant's focus on Gamma in 298. 300 is suspect. 307 feels scum.

tris's 302/303 look much better to me now than previously. 306 is a valid criticism of HighPrincessErinys. I also feel 418 was a good post.

328 is terrible; it looks like scum voting a player they know isn't scum that has a good chance of going through owing to them being suspect. 332 was buddying StD. I get bad vibes from 338. I also disliked 344. 422 is lackluster.

I quite like McMenno's 476/478.

[Ranger]

Forgot to write the /18/19/20 there; to be clear, that was through page 20.

[Ranger]

Reminder of notes;
UltimateGamer has been conftown'd by a desperado.
{Titus, imaginality} may not be confirmed not scum, but they're incredibly unlikely groupscum, so I'm assuming they're probably town for the sake of scumbuddies hunting.
Lycanfire I am assuming is town for the analysis done yesterday, but not conftown.
All other reads are developed as we progress.

New P21:
{UltimateGamer}
--
{Titus, imaginality}
--
{Lycanfire}
{MathBlade}
{McMenno}
{Gimli, Prince of Paterson}
{Enchant, Not_Mafia}
{KittyTacky, HighPrincessErinys}
{furtiveglance, Quiet Owl}

New P22/23:
{UltimateGamer}
--
{Titus, imaginality}
--
{Lycanfire}
{MathBlade}
{McMenno}
{Gimli, Prince of Paterson}
{Enchant, Not_Mafia}
{KittyTacky, HighPrincessErinys}
{furtiveglance}
{Quiet Owl}

New P24/25/26/27/28/29/30:
{UltimateGamer}
--
{Titus, imaginality}
--
{Lycanfire}
{MathBlade}
{McMenno}
{Gimli, Prince of Paterson}
{Enchant, Not_Mafia}
{KittyTacky}
{HighPrincessErinys, furtiveglance}
{Quiet Owl}

I don't know why but 511 gives bad vibes currently. 517 feels +scum as scum tend to highlight claims more often unprompted. 620 feels a suspect interaction with kitten around that looks like scum theater.
625 from kitten around continues to look like that exact same scum theater.

I like McMenno's honesty in 518. Tone-wise, 520 is +town. 533/536 felt town.

I still hate 523 and feel imaginality is in fact 3p, not town. 715 continues the 3p vibes.

531 feels deliberately weak from Quiet Owl. 545 specifically called Lycanfire's play similar to Arsonist--third party. This looks like Quiet Owl was hunting 3p, rather than hunting scum, with the Lycanfire vote. 567 refers back to the multiball theory in a way I believe is incredibly scum-indicative. The defense of 570 feels forced and out of place (I feel it was deliberately to be contrarian to other opinions). 596 highlights the (likely)town on the imaginality wagon, specifying it's suspect but not focusing on the votes most likely to be scum (furtive/Princess). 602 feels like cheeky-scum behavior because Quiet Owl IS defending imaginality there, as QO says scum would benefit from doing.
Further supporting my suspicions: kitten around's 618 calls Quiet Owl suspect, but doesn't actually VOTE QO. 627 looks like scum theater.

I dislike 537, it feels subdued from KittyTacky. 542 doesn't seem to serve a purpose, and 543 doesn't jive as a justification. 544 is oddly placed and I don't see why he thought that. 609 offers no justification for a townread on me, in a way I feel suspect.

Not Mafia is capable of producing content when town. The lack thereof in 548 is suspect.

tris's 629 is a good post about Quiet Owl, and 630 was a good vote imo. The callout in 632/633 was original enough and feels genuine.

I feel 648 is town from McMenno because their thoughts are original and don't line up with those of the flipped scum/my suspects for scum.

695 from Enchant is lackluster.

Spicy take:

Quiet Owl is scum with {kitten around, furtiveglance, maybe-Princess} (among others), and was

intended

to be the fall guy. The scum wanted

Quiet Owl

eliminated, NOT kitten around, and he deliberately left anti-associatives with his scumbuddies so they'd look better after he flipped. This would explain his lack of claim, and potentially offer an explanation for yesterday.
However, I admit this is just a theory. I'll need to continue investigating this to see if it has merit tomorrow.

[Ranger]

Have to call it there.
The remaining 70 pages will be tomorrow.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one thinks that if QO really was a failed buswagon (side tangent is that multiple people in the hood theorized KA could've been bussed due to their role being negutil, and perhaps that's true, though this one disagrees as it doesn't think its REALLY negutil when it can just choose someone who isn't the nightkill), that scum will probably back right the fuck off lest they lose two members in two days. Which is exactly why this one thinks a QO wagon today is a great idea because they're still very much on my radar and scum will be hesitant. VOTE: Quiet Owl

[Gimli]

I'm scumleaning KA after ISOing, it's taking a lot of safe stances from the first day and their reads don't feel maleable like a towny. I haven't read the entirety of it but I can see why people want it dead.

i agree with this.

however the logical conclusion from someone defending someone else, when the majority of the player list is against them, in a way that is flimsy or illogical is that they're scum partners. or lovers. or otherwise entangled, e.g. pr whose ability only works while that person's still alive.

scum do not typically stick their necks out for random townies. scum lets the town eliminate townies that look suspicious, and uses their nightkill on the ones who could never be eliminated in the day.

but hey maybe not acting normally is an excellent way to fool me. VOTE: kitten around

For some reason I thought that had a big chance of being a bus vote. Something about the weird phrasing, and whatnot. There isn't anything here that points to a scumread on KA and is only thinking of KA from their defense of QO very early D1, which feels like stiff reasoning.

Idk how the wagons looked like when QO voted there but I think he was the counterwagon to it anyway

[Gimli]

VOTE: quiet owl

[imaginality]

This one thinks that if QO really was a failed buswagon (side tangent is that multiple people in the hood theorized KA could've been bussed due to their role being negutil, and perhaps that's true, though this one disagrees as it doesn't think its REALLY negutil when it can just choose someone who isn't the nightkill), that scum will probably back right the fuck off lest they lose two members in two days. Which is exactly why this one thinks a QO wagon today is a great idea because they're still very much on my radar and scum will be hesitant. VOTE: Quiet Owl

This makes a lot of sense.

}v]Quiet Owl[/v]

To whoever asked about my two lines, it was a partial readslist just showing the scumreads ie I'm more suspicious of UG, Prince and Ranger than Math, furtive and Elements. Anyone not listed there (aside from Owl) I feel neutral about or townread.

[imaginality]

VOTE: Quiet Owl

[KittyTacky]

well UG as conftown is good I suppose

Unless SK (and Ranger's theory is wrong). But yeah I'm fine locktowning them.

[furtiveglance]

rip Elements, you were a cool role

VOTE: Quiet Owl

[xyzzy]

votecount 3.03

slept through my alarms this morning... damn

4 players voting for Quiet Owl (HighPrincessErinys, Gimli, imaginality, furtiveglance)
2 players voting for Ranger (Titus, Lycanfire)

9 players not voting (Quiet Owl, Prince of Paterson, McMenno, Enchant, Not_Mafia, MathBlade, Ranger, KittyTacky, UltimateGamer)

with 15 votes, it takes 8 to eliminate.

mod notes:

[KittyTacky]

309/310, though empathetic, I feel demonstrate knowledge Gamma was town, since it feels like the "if Gamma is scum" was added as an afterthought to what spewed knowledge Gamma was town. (I feel terrible for essentially saying basic human empathy is +scum, but it's the specific wording/post order which gives me those vibes, not the message itself.)

Calling this out specifically... you know how I often split thoughts between posts? It was the same thought, I'm just corrupted by Discord and press the submit button often and add additional thoughts after.

[KittyTacky]

*same thought stream

[KittyTacky]

This case on me feels like a lame turnaround after I shept the case on you and felt you not getting a vegetable was scummy.

[Ranger]

This case on me feels like a lame turnaround after I shept the case on you and felt you not getting a vegetable was scummy.

Your current posting, including all from this day phase, isn’t involved in my reread.

I hard-reset my reads, including on you.

I don’t remember what made me townread you previously.

I am seeing content which currently looks suspect with the benefit of hindsight.

It is not a final read, as I have yet to finish my process. Even when I've read all 100 pages, there will be additional work. Referencing the neighborhood, my own posts, the posts of the deceased, and meta checking verifiable slots, yours included.

My read shall not be finalized until after all of those. It’s certainly possible my read will flip on you back to town if/when I remember why I had the read in the first place. Quite possibly, the reason was meta, with you being correct in your 2543 in that I should know. But since I

currently

don’t remember either my reason or your meta, I am going off of what I see.

My read will be refined as the process continues. Remembering your meta, and remembering why I townread you previously,

are

on my agenda. Just not yet.

There’s no harm in demonstrating my thought process and showing transparency and honesty. I will need to review the evidence surrounding you in the lens of your meta

eventually

. It is not something I feel is productive to do

immediately

.
(Speaking of which, resuming the reread for the next 70 pages won’t start now. I'll begin in circa 12 hours from now, similarly to yesterday.)

[MathBlade]

MathBlade do you care to explain your progression on Kitten Owl? Your read on McMenno?

You know me long enough to know I don’t do “progressions”. I am a seat of the moment kind of person.

[MathBlade]

Yeah sorry not good enough. Just do as you've done before and just sort people on the recent pages. Suggesting you have to throw out the entirety of day 2 and start again stinks.

Wait a minute. You’re calling out someone for bad reads. She’s re-evaluating those bad reads and reevaluating stinks?

I think at best you’re in a tunnel and at worst this is opportunistic as fuck given UG is likely town.

[MathBlade]

So far you've really given us nothing. That's a valid complaint. Sure, QO looks bad. I've agreed with you on that all game. Saving us the RVS commentary would have helped.

You need to know when to hold 'em n shit like that Ranger.

I don’t see how she’s given us “nothing”. By that definition we are all running around like chickens with our heads cut off and everyone has given “nothing”.

VOTE: Lycanfire

Ranger still feels like miselim bait and you’re scum for picking two easy “targets”.