Mini 2286: Legends of the Hidden Temple IV (Explorers Win!)

[Aisa]

furtive, do you think it's mastina and if so can you explain why here or in the Pantry?
I appreciate everyone's replies, mastina I haven't read yours in full yet, but I will soon and I will reply to you.

I think it's mastina or Cephrir

Yeah, the point is working out which one, so I can have my perfect win that I definitely contributed to more than everyone else by being on literally all the scum elims*

*citation needed

[Flea The Magician]

they

fae* dang it

They/them works too, don't worry <3

[Yume]

So vote Cephrir.

[furtiveglance]

You had the power to challenge anyone you wanted at any time, so I'm trying to understand why you worded it as "don't give up on Aisa" as if a wagon on me was some unobtainable pie in the sky

[mastina]

Mastina, what's your read on Flea now?

Honestly idk,

could

still be scum but less likely?
Like, significantly less likely.

Flea's posting is more town and Flea challenged/voted Gimli, so like. Unless the plan is to out-duel Yume in a 1v1 during lylo I don't see Flea's path to victory here as scum, so

probably

town?

[Save The Dragons]

This is the same energy of mastina as not quite normal multiball 2. She never fake claims ever and then fake claimed beloved princess as mafia

[Flea The Magician]

Once I've calmed down - don't appreciate being told to fuck off regardless of circumstance in a game - I will look over todays other options.

[furtiveglance]

Mastina, what's your read on Flea now?

Honestly idk,

could

still be scum but less likely?
Like, significantly less likely.

Flea's posting is more town and Flea challenged/voted Gimli, so like. Unless the plan is to out-duel Yume in a 1v1 during lylo I don't see Flea's path to victory here as scum, so

probably

town?

Fae seems obvious town to me and has done for a bit, but it seemed like you quite determinedly kept faer in your poe - part of my scumread on you is that your reads have felt quite stale since gamestart

[mastina]

This argument doesn't convince me because in the scenario that you're mafia, you only really bussed Meg. You never challenged, you claimed to TR Ythan for a while (including voting for me at the time), and I don't really remember your interactions with TW but I remember others pushing them more loudly.

Well no fucking shit, I've been (and still am) sick.

I believed challenging worstie/Meg would kill them both, I did come around to Ythan scum, and while I didn't push worstie, I did push GIMLI.

Literally every post I made on D3 was pushing Gimli.

[mastina]

Once I've calmed down - don't appreciate being told to fuck off regardless of circumstance in a game - I will look over todays other options.

Wouldn't ya know it, Flea?

I don't like being attacked for being fucking sick!

When I said Yume was right I mean Yume is fucking right and being attacked for being sick?

I don't take kindly to that!

[furtiveglance]

Once I've calmed down - don't appreciate being told to fuck off regardless of circumstance in a game - I will look over todays other options.

Wouldn't ya know it, Flea?

I don't like being attacked for being fucking sick!

When I said Yume was right I mean Yume is fucking right and being attacked for being sick?

I don't take kindly to that!

what

it's not a vest against suspicion either, most of our reads are based on poe

[furtiveglance]

I'd like to expedite this process, I think the group consensus has neither Ceph nor mastina living so let's get to it, maybe STD can re-vote Ceph

Ceph I've enjoyed your presence

VOTE: Cephrir

[Yume]

Yes, let's.

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: cephrir

Love you tho

[mastina]

that's nice but everyone bussed them so who cares

Has everyone written an article on why not to bus?
Has everyone had personal firsthand experience being scum in a nightless game and knowing how badly bussing as a strat is?
Has everyone done the math for the pros/cons of bussing and realized dead scum add a huge number of mislims needed to win?

'Cause I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who has all three.

[Flea The Magician]

Once I've calmed down - don't appreciate being told to fuck off regardless of circumstance in a game - I will look over todays other options.

Wouldn't ya know it, Flea?

I don't like being attacked for being fucking sick!

When I said Yume was right I mean Yume is fucking right and being attacked for being sick?

I don't take kindly to that!

I have been

waiting

for you to come back. Because I know I need to sit and read you, because I know being ill fucking sucks but you know something fuck me right for being sus because you still cranked out some walls while ill, because you were still reasonably fucking active and because I didn't see the fucking V/LA.

You know what you should have done if you're not able to play - thats all on you - nobody else.

[furtiveglance]

that's nice but everyone bussed them so who cares

Has everyone written an article on why not to bus?
Has everyone had personal firsthand experience being scum in a nightless game and knowing how badly bussing as a strat is?
Has everyone done the math for the pros/cons of bussing and realized dead scum add a huge number of mislims needed to win?

'Cause I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who has all three.

I don't think the first two are relevant when everyone as scum would have done the third

[Yume]

If he flips town, I'll eat my shoes. Honest.

[Cephrir]

Mastina, what's your read on Flea now?

Honestly idk,

could

still be scum but less likely?
Like, significantly less likely.

Flea's posting is more town and Flea challenged/voted Gimli, so like. Unless the plan is to out-duel Yume in a 1v1 during lylo I don't see Flea's path to victory here as scum, so

probably

town?

Fae seems obvious town to me and has done for a bit, but it seemed like you quite determinedly kept faer in your poe - part of my scumread on you is that your reads have felt quite stale since gamestart

i haven't painstakingly checked whether it's true that mastina's reads are stagnant, but that is a meta scumtell for her, she probably won't deny this

[Cephrir]

If he flips town, I'll eat my shoes. Honest.

i recommend converse all stars they have a pleasant aftertaste

[Save The Dragons]

Gold Dragons

forever

[Yume]

If Ceph flips town, I will personally put us up for elim again.

[Aisa]

It may not be apparent from the way I've engaged with you, Ceph, but I've enjoyed playing with you too!

[mastina]

I agree with this premise. But who here could be mafia

without

having bussed?

Well, for all three eliminations?

Aisa was off.

But otherwise, yes, scum did bus.

I'm not arguing that scum-in-general wouldn't bus tho.

I'm arguing SCUMASTINA wouldn't bus.

I know the math behind Nightkleess games and how broutal they are for the scum if so much as a single scum goes down and how bussing is almost never worth it.
I have

firsthand experience

of losing a scumgame due to bussing. (In a setup that is considered scumsided, no less! Bussing caused the scum to lose in a game

considered scumsided

and it was specifically BECAUSE of the bussing.)

I literally wrote an article on why not to bus.

Other players don't have that bacvkground, but I do.

It's

opssible

for me to be scum, because scumastina in spite of all of the above has (strategically, mind you) bussed before. Usually when I'm planning to go down. (So like. The most likely scumastina world is one where I planned to challenge worstie+Meg, lose, and get myself+Yume killed under a misunderstanding of the mechanics.)

But while it's possible, it would require me to go against literally every piece of experience I have for

games of this format specifically

.
In games where I bus the scum often get something tangible from the bus, namely things like obtaining power roles, the trust of the town, nightkills to kill town, the abilitry to control the town, etc.

Those advantages don't exist in games of this format. So the advantages behind bussing aren't existent.

Yes, the only possible player to have not bussed at all is Aisa.

So, yes, whoever the scum is likely bussed.

But I specifically know I almost certainly wouldn't.

[mastina]

This is the same energy of mastina as not quite normal multiball 2. She never fake claims ever and then fake claimed beloved princess as mafia

Fuck off with that.

That was consistent with my philosophy don't you fucking try to say it wasn't.

Claiming the inverse affect isn't a lie. Would you say "she never fakeclaims ever and then fakeclaimed town loyal gladiator as a scum disloyal gladiator"?
No, a scum disloyal gladiator is the town equivalent role of a town loyal gladiator so that was a trueclaim. It'd have been gamethrowing to have claimed "town loyal gladiator" as a scum loyal gladiator, so an inverse was needed.
Claiming a role that removes a day as scum who would add a day isn't a lie. It's literally the only true claim that can be made, the town equivalent. It'd have been gametrhrwoing to claim giving the town an extra day when eliminated, so an inverse was needed.

Granted, apparently the listmods consider a strategy that is specifically that (strategic) to be a trust tell so I can't really defend this as much as I want to but don't fucking pretend you know my rules better than I fucking do. That was a trueclaim. So was me claiming D3 IC as a N2 vig. It was the truth from the lens of necessary scum perspective faking town perspective.