HMS Mutiny [Game Over]

[Bellaphant]

It only works once, I just don't know when. It's led to more confusion than help!

Ok, so...mala shot enchant, who people weren't town reading, as scum!traitor, for 'reasons'. It's fairly obvious how silly they are.

Thank you for being civil. I don't think we need to talk again.

[Eiralox]

After stating that anything I say will be pure speculation, 'reasons' sums it up.

Beyond that though, I have seen no hard refutation of what Radical Rat said: Not from Mala, and not from anyone else.

Further on, this statement below is an absolute truth in my mind:

ActionDan was killed because Enhcant had a result on them. Killing ActionDan enabled Elements to 'prove' the validity of their role and enabled Bellaphant to craft a role for themselves: Redirector, by stating they in fact chose ActionDan to deflect the kill towards, being certain they were responsible for ActionDan's demise instead of scum targeting Dan on their own.

I concur with the assessment that I need say no more.

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: Day final votecounts, colourised c2023.

1.17

Votecount 1.17 (Final)

Save The Dragons

(9):

Gamma Emerald

,

ActionDan

,

Titus

,

Nancy Drew 39

,

Enchant

,

Gimli

,

Elements

,

Eiralox

,

Save The Dragons

.

Passenger

(5):

BlueBloodedToffee

, Flea The Magician, Bellaphant, Malakittens,

HighPrincessErinys

.

Elements

(1):

Passenger

.

Gimli

(1):

Radical Rat

.

Not Voting (0): -

With 16 players alive, it took 9 to eliminate someone.

Co-Mod Notes

• Combined Mod ISO
  
• Squawk

2.16

Votecount 2.16 (Final)

HighPrincessErinys

(8):

Titus

,

Gamma Emerald

,

BlueBloodedToffee

,

Gimli

,

Elements

,

Radical Rat

, Flea The Magician,

Nancy Drew 39

.

Gimli

(1): Malakittens.
Bellaphant (1):

ActionDan

.

Nancy Drew 39

(1):

Eiralox

.
Malakittens (1):

HighPrincessErinys

.

ActionDan

(1): Bellaphant.

Not Voting (1):

Enchant

.

With 14 players alive, it took 8 to eliminate someone.

Mod Notes

• Combined Mod ISO
  
• Gimli
  , Bellaphant,
  Gamma Emerald
  and
  Titus
  are on V/LA

3.10

Votecount 3.10 (Final)

Gamma Emerald

(7):

Nancy Drew 39

,

Radical Rat

, Bellaphant,

Gimli

,

BlueBloodedToffee

,

Elements

,

Enchant

.

Elements

(2):

Eiralox

,

Gamma Emerald

.

Eiralox

(1): Flea The Magician.

Enchant

(1):

ActionDan

.

Not Voting (1): Malakittens.

With 12 players alive, it took 7 to eliminate someone.

Co-Mod Notes

• Combined Mod ISO
  
• Gimli
  exceeded his post cap for today, and has 0 posts out of 10 left in his reserve.
  
• Eiralox
  exceeeded their post cap for today, and has 2 posts out of 10 left in their reserve.
  
• Squawk

4.09

Votecount 4.09 (Final)

Gimli

(5):

BlueBloodedToffee

, Malakittens,

Eiralox

, Bellaphant,

Nancy Drew 39

.

Eiralox

(4): Flea The Magician,

Elements

,

Radical Rat

,

Gimli

.

Not Voting (0): -

With 9 players alive, it took 5 to eliminate someone.

Day 4 ends in Expired.

Co-Mod Notes

• Combined Mod ISO
  
• Flea The Magician is V/LA.
  
• Gimli
  has reached his post limit for today and has 0/10 posts left in his reserve. He can only post naked votes every 12 hours.

5.06

Votecount 5.06 (final)

Elements

(4):

Eiralox

,

Radical Rat

, Nancy Drew 39,

Elements

.

Not Voting (3): Bellaphant, Flea The Magician, Malakittens.

With 7 players alive, it took 4 to eliminate someone.

Day 5 ends in Expired.

Mod Notes

• Combined Mod ISO

Also D5. I am convinced Eira is spotted town here.

This one. Imo, VCAs are pretty compelling stuff.

These are not VCAs, this is just the end of day counts.

[Eiralox]

Random page I stumbled on, this timeframe in particular is of interest.

Spoiler:

Some of guys have really bad takes. I'll attribute it to shock.

All the PRs I believe. Although I would be a bit cautious with Bellas since that's quite strong to have a superior BP (of we had follower/watcher combo)

Still at work, then trivia then home

In response to Killing Joke:

Nah, I think your slot is town. I'm most confused on flea and enchant I think, any help would be fab @kj

No, I've given you plenty. You try.


Why would scum redirect their own kill? Honestly that reasoning is bad enough to auto lim you.

Are you claiming credit for the passenger death N1?

Also I did redirect to passenger, lol, but he would've died at day end if it was my target, Ans they did target Titus, so passenger was just a vig shot?

Okay
VOTE: BBT
I’ll trust Bella here

As earlier stated I can expand a whole lot more on my general take on Bellaphant, with the first time I think I publicly sussed them being when they concurred with me that HighPrincessErynis deserves a chance, with me at the time speculating that they and Erynis might be aligned and I think the eventual Erynis flip, for which I was not present, convinced me again that Bella was more crew?

Overall though I believe I have made my point, a full-on redirector is simply vastly overpowered here if it were a crew role, a true role.

Anyone feel free to ask me questions I guess.

[Bellaphant]

What actually is a 'full on redirector'?

[Eiralox]

Spoiler:

Full on? How you described your use of your role: That you targeted Passenger, that you targeted Dan, that you targeted Flea, meaning: not gated, more than one use. Lately you've said you can only get one kill out of it, but seeing as you have indeed activated multiple times, seeing as you seemed absolutely certain that you did kill Dan, my estimation from your words forms a picture of a full-use role.

Seeing as I know the role to be a faux one though, this is the last time I'm answering any questions about it. Enchant/Elements/Bellaphant targeted Dan to facilitate fake-claims and beyond that, as affirmed earlier, I have nothing more to say.

Why don't you believe me when I say that I have the Black Spot?

[Bellaphant]

But it only works once. It's one shot, Ans I don't know whether it worked. The only time the person I've targetted got it was action Dan.

Because i, fundamentally as scum, would claim bs!! It's the direct play! You are clever

Imagine I'm scum l. For argument, flea is also scum. (This theory really only works if there are two scum, which you've told me you believ, as scum only need one mis lim)
Targeting Nancy doesn't help, they are conf. I know mala is town, so why would I make her conf, or you? If you and Nancy are conf, then Nancy and you have to chose between mala, me, or flea: you've got a 2/3 chance of voting scum!

This works for all scum teams: why would flea and mala bs you? Why would individual traitor (I don't believe this) bs you, over conf town?

I would 100% claim bs as scum, because it adds in a huge element of wifom, reduces people's choices

Also, eira, If you are town, then you haven't been open at all to considering that I'm not scum. But for me, just mech wise, it has to be one (or both) of you or flea. I don't believe mala shoots scum as traitor, sorry, and Nancy is conf.

You should have a lot kore questions about flea than you do.

[Eiralox]

I'm sorry Bellaphant I don't really know how to address this post.

I fully believe Flea is crew, that Enchant had a result on them and that Elements used this result to gain their trust. Furthermore, I'm convinced Nancy drew is crew, this was the feeling I had D2 with Joker and Harley and I should never have backtracked on it... Joker Day5 introduced a lot of paranoia in me regarding their slot and I jumped down a deep dark rabbit hole that I should not have jumped down.

Furthermore MalaKittens has said nothing at all, Day5 or Day6, to counter Radical Rat's estimation of them, we are and have been since Day5 in a 'vote right or lose' state and yet MalaKittens has offered no significant contribution, has made no attempt at solving or helping crew.

Flea the Magician is obvious crew here.

Nancy Drew 39 is obvious crew here.

MalaKittens isn't.

You state me and Flea the Magician are partners?

As with Elements(And Nancy Day5, and you today) I've come down pretty hard on Flea, Day4 I fully believed they are scum and only Day5 when all the factors of how Elements' fake role slots in place(Using two Enchant results: One on Dan, and one on Flea) did I grudgingly realize Flea is indeed a loyal sailor, crew through and through.

[Eiralox]

I know mala is town, so why would I make her conf, or you?

How?

Why is Radical Rat lying?

Why isn't MalaKittens even trying?

You're glossing over a lot of what I say, it's time for me to step back.

[Bellaphant]

If I was scum, I'd know right? This was all hypothetical. Am I wrong, though?

If there is only one scum remaining, I want us to consider the implications of no lim. If there are two, it has to be you Ans flea, from my pov. If my maths is wrong, then that's another convo.

I don't believe that traitor mala shot scum elements over obv town. I cant believe that. I think you are verging on rude, again, as the only way these assertions of yours work is if everyone else is playing with a bag over their head and sticks in their ears.

Why would I claim anything when I did? It didn't conf me. If I was going to fake claim anything, don't you think I would have claimed something better?

I don't think RR was lying, but they can be wrong.
I am here for mala to try with.
I don't believe I'm glossing over anything: I answered your question and you fixated on a hypothetical, rather than the meat. I believe this is because I am not wrong, in fact.

[Bellaphant]

In order you both you and flea to be town, scum, Including the traitor, has:

Shot themselves when they were winning, over louder, more obvious town
Fake claimed a pointless role that at best adds 'wifom'
And confirmed someone as town in elo, for.....reasons.

I don't think that's the world we are living in.

[Bellaphant]

Considering we are in elo and one of the other scum was basically a null on the game, and one was only ever 'town' by role, not play, scum has done incredibly well to get to elo while still making decisions that poor. Again, is that really likely?

@mala, Nancy, (and flea if there is a fourth town), I don't know how to say what I'm saying a different way, but I will answer questions

[Eiralox]

I'm dying.

Mala isn't crew-aligned.

No-lim is off the table.

[Flea The Magician]

But it only works once. It's one shot, Ans I don't know whether it worked. The only time the person I've targetted got it was action Dan.

Because i, fundamentally as scum, would claim bs!! It's the direct play! You are clever

Imagine I'm scum l. For argument, flea is also scum. (This theory really only works if there are two scum, which you've told me you believ, as scum only need one mis lim)
Targeting Nancy doesn't help, they are conf. I know mala is town, so why would I make her conf, or you? If you and Nancy are conf, then Nancy and you have to chose between mala, me, or flea: you've got a 2/3 chance of voting scum!

This works for all scum teams: why would flea and mala bs you? Why would individual traitor (I don't believe this) bs you, over conf town?

I would 100% claim bs as scum, because it adds in a huge element of wifom, reduces people's choices

Also, eira, If you are town, then you haven't been open at all to considering that I'm not scum. But for me, just mech wise, it has to be one (or both) of you or flea. I don't believe mala shoots scum as traitor, sorry, and Nancy is conf.

You should have a lot kore questions about flea than you do.

Yo if youre shading me, shade me. Dont half arse it.

[Bellaphant]

If there are two scum, I believe you are one of them..by mech. If there are not, you don't have to be. It's a tomorrow question

Anything constructive?

[Eiralox]

Enchant had a result on Flea, Elements used it in their fakeclaim. Flea is as confirmed as you can get.

[Eiralox]

All the logical avenues have been laid out:

Enchant had two results, one on Dan, one on Flea.

Dan was killed because scum needed to validate their fakeclaims.

This here solves everything nicely and frankly I don't care anymore what Mala is despite trusting what Rat said.

I have the Black Spot.

The above is all I really have to say anymore so it's all I'll say from here on out.

[Malakittens]

Sorry i have my National paramedic test td so I’m like absent

[Eiralox]

Sorry i have my National paramedic test td so I’m like absent

That's cool.

Once you have time:

Do you want to vote me?

[Eiralox]

I think you are verging on rude, again, as the only way these assertions of yours work is if everyone else is playing with a bag over their head and sticks in their ears.

I don't appreciate this statement by the way. I have apologized, to you, for my earlier erratic behavior. An apology wasn't needed, not universally demanded, it was given from my own heart.

I will be very very direct here and say that, in fact, I am no longer engaging with you. Much of what you have done recently are blatant manipulation tactics and I see no point in further happily going along with it just because my own behavior has been outside of the norm.

You and Elements faked your roles.

You, Elements and Enchant killed Dan knowing they were a loyal sailor so you could validate these roles.

You gave me the Black Spot.

You hoped you could eliminate either me or Flea today. The moment I call Flea town at the start of this game day, your reaction, is pretty telling.

Scum misplayed this game.

Scum messed up real good.

Admit it, accept it, don't: Matters none to me. It's over.

[Bellaphant]

This is why I'm not engaging with the rhetoric, eria. It feels dirty, it ain't me.

As I said, it isn't worth it to me. I said ar the top of the page we could be done, but you can't leave it. While... Claiming to leave it.

(It devalues your case a little that you make these kinds of posts after I've given you logic you don't have a response to. Aren't you bored yet? I was actually enjoying the back and forth earlier but no, here it is again. I hope it's worth it, because I would feel miserable as fuck right now)

[Flea The Magician]

If there are two scum, I believe you are one of them..by mech. If there are not, you don't have to be. It's a tomorrow question

Anything constructive?

Yeah actually, what questions do you think Eira should be asking me?

[Eiralox]

Yup, kj is conf and I'm....not conf but close enough.

Does the fact we still have a day confirm we have 1 or 2 scum left? 2+3p?

Bellaphant confirms Nancy, who they knew they would need on their side, and very rightly predicted might trust them more than Eiralox.

Also 'almost confirms themselves'(see Elements saying the same thing D5)..... does this while the only real hard confirmed person is Flea, because of the fact that scum had a result on them used in Elements' fake role.

We have to have four scum really?

Bellaphant sets up the lessening of sus on MalaKittens. Radical Rat is dead so maybe they though they could get away with it?

Morning, im not spotted, unsurprisingly at this point.

Bella who did you target last night? Also

Nancy is actually soft clear at this point ... Unless scum expected a tracker.

The Flea post that ultimately solidified fae as crew in my eyes: Nancy and Bella never bothered to say they don't have the spot, Bella immediately launched on me, probably hoping by doing so I would believe they didn't give me the spot, therefore Eira would have looked something like:

"Bella, but you're crew! And I have the Black Spot! What's going on! Get Nancy! Or Flea! No, no, Mala first!? DAMN IT! Please get them Bella!"

A much weaker position for Eiralox to be arguing from.
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Notice the very important question Flea asked here: Who did you target, Bella? Bella never answered this. Bella knows how disastrous that is.

Bella targets Eira: Wow so Eira might actually have Black Spot? No good.

Bella targets Mala: Nope. They need that Mala vote for their mis-elim, with Mala being a probable traitor they might not trust scum! Bella all that much then? That is, if Mala isn't already very wise and knows Bella is scum.

Bella targets Nancy: Out of the question. Nancy is who Bella needs alive and pocketed.

Bella targets Flea: They already used this, said they targeted them N4 and as they might still need Flea, hedging on them is the path Bella chose. Bella should maybe just have said they targeted Flea again and called it a day, as they ended up on 'Flea is scum' all the same, after Flea wisely voted for them.
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So, fake role summary:

Bella claims D3. Says:

N1 Target: Passenger: Vigged by captain, not confirmable
N2 Target: ActionDan: Actually the scum's chosen target to solidify Elements' D2 fakeclaim, Bella very certain they did kill them though!
N3 Target: Don't know if I remember reading about one, maybe I missed it. Not gonna read.
N4 Target: Flea the Magician
N5 Target: ??? Bella never answered Flea's question. Basically 'I'm one-hit, but not sure whether I killed anyone?'

Flea the Magician, I trust fae the most right now.

I have to get a logical grip on Bellaphant, MalaKittens and Nancy Drew 39.

That is all. For all intents and purposes, Flea, faer's the only one I feel like being absolutely town.

I hope to have time/energy for this but might also.... yeah I'm feeling a bit down so while that's not game-related I just think I won't be talking soon.

Eira comes in. Expresses absolute trust in Flea(Because of Enchant result and Elements flip)

@eira, that's just....my thought process? I've literally just said I feel like trusting flea which you do too, so....not sure wherw the aggression has come from.

Bellaphant immediately states they trust Flea despite never saying this at all start D6, having Flea as ? in the VC's. Bella needs to hedge all angles because suddenly it seems they're going to only gun for Eira.

I'll be clear now: I am 'one hit'. But I don't know whether it's ever worked, so I don't know whether it's ever been used! Scum know, as they know if I wasn't the right target!

I don't know if that answers your question?

Bella's answer to Flea. Before this, they were very very adamant that they did in fact target Dan. Back then they needed a fakeclaim. Now they need an escape hatch. No name is mentioned as the N5 target. Crew Bella, if their role is real, should know by now that they have no more uses left and they did in fact kill Dan. Being that the role is fake, they failed to simulate that depth and got caught in way too many lies.

Best case, mala is 3p and one eira and flea are scum, worse case ...I don't even know.

Suddenly Flea is scum again, just after Bella says they trust them, after Eira stated in absolute terms they do.

Mala 'might be third party'

How? Why?

I'm still trusting Radical Rat. No idea what Bella was going off here.

We can't explain enchant otherwise?

The thing is, I struggle seeing motivation for both sides with eira, whereas I thought flea was just straight up scummy but can't see why they approach the end of yesterday -yesterda (two days ago) like they did as axum.

I'm drunk so .....I am really pleased that my basic lock town in rr and Nancy were right, but both flea and eira have pushed Nancy to degrees, so pushing Nancy iabr scumny.

Hmmm.

This post is the ultimate, final rollercoaster.

Note carefully, in the same breath, what is said:

"Flea was scummy but I can no longer see why they do those things as scum"

And Then:

"Flea has pushed Nancy, pushing Nancy is scummy"

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The hedging on Flea is obvious.

The total disregard of Mala possibly being a traitor and a threat to crew when there are 5 people left is obvious.

The attempt to pocket Nancy Drew, and the continued quite successful attempts at it since then, are obvious.
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I feel I've already outlined how Bella's actions fit into their scumteam as a whole. I doubt I have more to say.

[Bellaphant]

@titus, killing joke is Nancy and frog!
@killing joke, hi! Ask me a question? Who are your three scum reads?


I can see some of the roles being swingy, so I'm kinda fine with the miller claim for now.

Post two in my iso..my role is swingy af. I keep saying the same thing.

@flea, do you not think it's weird that eira believes that mala shot her own buddy, over being slightly Sus of you?

[Flea The Magician]

I'd consider it reasonable at this point that Mala is a 3p. The issue is the only 3p that is viable to me currently is a stowaway/survivor which means Mala has won.

If Eira didn't have multiple points where the read on me is reasonably justified, then I'd still be suspicious there.

Your post 2 means very little, a good player can be swingy.

What questions should Eira be asking me? (2nd request)