Open 872 | Citadel Conflict | Postgame

[MegAzumarill]

pagetop before i slep

[MegAzumarill]

Palace -> Court -> Dungeon.

Maybe dungeon first if I'm way off base and elements flips town.

I’m town so unless you’re having doubts on Taly and I don’t understand why you would, I very much don’t see that happening.

Elements claims to scumread me, which makes 0 sense but won’t vote Taly and they know we need consensus so I find it extremely difficult to believe they could still be town here.

Because you were townreading me,

if elements and I were scum I would not have left palace and instead swapped taly out

.

Well first off, we don’t actually know that’s true. You could just be saying that? With whom?

Switch Taly with whom?

Are you saying that scum!you would switch scum!Elements with town!Taly?

Which would be impossible because you can’t have more than one scum in one place

.

I already said I would have switched taly with a town in dungeon in that scenario.
Sigh

Assume Elements and I are scum:

Pre- Flip Locations
Court

Bella

,

Radicat Rat

,

Elements

Palace

MegAzumarill

,

Taly

,

Nona

Dungeon

Drew

,

Herta

,

Farren

[1 of which is scum, arbitrarily picking farren here but argument works no matter who pick]

Nona explicitly states and can be inferred to be telling the truth that she will vote for taly or me if given the chance.

The other two are mostly up in the air about who will be voted. (How would rat fare between elements and bella, how would herta stand between drew and farren, not explicitly clear.)

What is the best thing for scum to do in this situation?

The answer: Swap Taly with Herta or Doctor Drew.

Nona would vote for me or be hard pressed to be convinced otherwise, and mafia would likely win palace.

Taly in dungeon lowers the odds of mafia winning due to being townread, but could go either way with how she votes. No clear winner. This is true no matter who is scum in dungeon.

Likewise in court, a cleared Radical Rat would also be in a dilemma (where I would even say elements is more likely to get bella voted than the alternative). this is trending mafia win but up in the air.

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However, that's not what happened. Instead of a foregone conclusion of a mafia win in palace, now it is of a town win (remember in this hypothetical elements is scum)

The other two areas are still up in the air. At best you can argue it's wifom to win court but.... thats still not a good answer. Trading a mafia win for a mafia win through wifom BY GIVING a town win makes 0 logical sense for scum to do. Even if this argument was taken as a guarentee of winning court because I could mention it, which it almost certainly wont, it still hurt mafia's win chances overall by a substantial margin.

Here's the relevant case

[Nona1510]

Palace -> Court -> Dungeon.

Maybe dungeon first if I'm way off base and elements flips town.

I’m town so unless you’re having doubts on Taly and I don’t understand why you would, I very much don’t see that happening.

Elements claims to scumread me, which makes 0 sense but won’t vote Taly and they know we need consensus so I find it extremely difficult to believe they could still be town here.

Because you were townreading me,

if elements and I were scum I would not have left palace and instead swapped taly out

.

Well first off, we don’t actually know that’s true. You could just be saying that? With whom?

Switch Taly with whom?

Are you saying that scum!you would switch scum!Elements with town!Taly?

Which would be impossible because you can’t have more than one scum in one place

.

I already said I would have switched taly with a town in dungeon in that scenario.
Sigh

Oh sorry then, I misunderstood. So you probably would have swapped Bella anf confirmed Taly?
So it would be me, Elements and Bella then?

I can definitely see how this would have been the opportune situation for scum!Elements. I could see them trying to play Bella and me against each other, a lot easier than with Taly,

The only thing that gives me a little pause with that is why was Rat so upset then that I voted Palace? Since I was initially being scumread, I’m assuming Bella probably still gets confirmed and I would be forced to battle between Rat/you.

Or had it been Herta in there had he picked court, probably same thing.

The one thing that makes me lean you over Rat is thar scum tend to distance their partners far more than chainsaw and if that’s the case than Rat could assume that an Elements scum flip would make you look bad because of how much Elements has been shading them.

I would obviously love it if you’re the other court townie because that would mean I probably contributed to town winning by voting Palace yesterday,

[Nona1510]

Palace -> Court -> Dungeon.

Maybe dungeon first if I'm way off base and elements flips town.

I’m town so unless you’re having doubts on Taly and I don’t understand why you would, I very much don’t see that happening.

Elements claims to scumread me, which makes 0 sense but won’t vote Taly and they know we need consensus so I find it extremely difficult to believe they could still be town here.

Because you were townreading me,

if elements and I were scum I would not have left palace and instead swapped taly out

.

Well first off, we don’t actually know that’s true. You could just be saying that? With whom?

Switch Taly with whom?

Are you saying that scum!you would switch scum!Elements with town!Taly?

Which would be impossible because you can’t have more than one scum in one place

.

I already said I would have switched taly with a town in dungeon in that scenario.
Sigh

Assume Elements and I are scum:

Pre- Flip Locations
Court

Bella

,

Radicat Rat

,

Elements

Palace

MegAzumarill

,

Taly

,

Nona

Dungeon

Drew

,

Herta

,

Farren

[1 of which is scum, arbitrarily picking farren here but argument works no matter who pick]

Nona explicitly states and can be inferred to be telling the truth that she will vote for taly or me if given the chance.

The other two are mostly up in the air about who will be voted. (How would rat fare between elements and bella, how would herta stand between drew and farren, not explicitly clear.)

What is the best thing for scum to do in this situation?

The answer: Swap Taly with Herta or Doctor Drew.

Nona would vote for me or be hard pressed to be convinced otherwise, and mafia would likely win palace.

Taly in dungeon lowers the odds of mafia winning due to being townread, but could go either way with how she votes. No clear winner. This is true no matter who is scum in dungeon.

Likewise in court, a cleared Radical Rat would also be in a dilemma (where I would even say elements is more likely to get bella voted than the alternative). this is trending mafia win but up in the air.

--------------------------

However, that's not what happened. Instead of a foregone conclusion of a mafia win in palace, now it is of a town win (remember in this hypothetical elements is scum)

The other two areas are still up in the air. At best you can argue it's wifom to win court but.... thats still not a good answer. Trading a mafia win for a mafia win through wifom BY GIVING a town win makes 0 logical sense for scum to do. Even if this argument was taken as a guarentee of winning court because I could mention it, which it almost certainly wont, it still hurt mafia's win chances overall by a substantial margin.

Here's the relevant case

Yes that is a good case, much better than switching Taly and Elements but what is your argument then for scum Rat not doing that and switching you and Elements?

Why do you think scum Rat didn’t do that then?

[Herta]

In other news herta is now an IC.

How was i IC before this post?

[Elements]

"how much elements has been shading you"
I just put out the suggestion that it could be Nona/Meg.
Now I'm thinking it could be Nona/Rat and Nona is using me as a way to push Meg as scum

[Nona1510]

"how much elements has been shading you"
I just put out the suggestion that it could be Nona/Meg.
Now I'm thinking it could be Nona/Rat and Nona is using me as a way to push Meg as scum

Good for you, I’m not voting you under any circumstances, so your fake attempts to fool anyone into thinking you’re town are totally wasted. But props for the bad acting, I s’pose.

[Elements]

VOTE: Taly

[Nona1510]

VOTE: Taly

At the Palace, town must vote on one cadet. If that cadet is a Devotee, the Devotees gain control of the location, but otherwise, the Insurrectionists gain control.
At the Court and Dungeon, the Devotees must eliminate the Insurrectionist to gain control of the location.

If we only need two votes and there’s a world where you’re actually town than we may have already lost but maybe you just want to silence me on Meg/Rat because you’ve just given up? I really hope I’m right and you’re the scum in the palace.

[Nona1510]

Taly, I’m not wrong, it is Elements, isn’t it?

[Nona1510]

@mod, is it decided by majority or all three players have to vote?

If the former, I’m just going to hope that Taly didn’t bamboozle me and Elements just gave up.

[Nona1510]

Yeah probably just gave up and I’m being paranoid for nothing. Well, I don’t understand what Elements is doing here wrt Rat/Meg but if Taly’s town like I think, we still win.

Btw Element, if I can no longer post, the thread will see me flip town, so your shade on me is a massive fail. It won’t affect court, so if that was your objective, than massive fail.

[Elements]

Am I the only person that actually read and understood the setup before signing up to this game?

[Nona1510]

Am I the only person that actually read and understood the setup before signing up to this game?

No where does it specify majorly but logically, I don’t see how this setup would work otherwise. Like the dungeon and court insurrectionists obviously aren’t going to self-vote but it’s possibly different for the palace?

At any rate Elements if only two votes are needed for palace, then God I really hope you’re scum.

[Elements]

Additional

• Here are some additional rules.
  • During
    Day 2
    , all nine cadets still share the thread and submit their votes there.
    
  • All 3 activities are played in the same thread but cadets may only vote for their own activity.
    
  • After majority is reached in a activity, that activity is immediately resolved, and all cadets involved are flipped.
    
  • Once a cadet's activity is resolved, that cadet may no longer post in the thread, with the exception of the cadet who was confirmed to be a
    Devotee
    at the
    Court
    .

[Elements]

you're right
nowhere do the rules tell you how the game works

[Nona1510]

Additional

• Here are some additional rules.
  • During
    Day 2
    , all nine cadets still share the thread and submit their votes there.
    
  • All 3 activities are played in the same thread but cadets may only vote for their own activity.
    
  • After majority is reached in a activity, that activity is immediately resolved, and all cadets involved are flipped.
    
  • Once a cadet's activity is resolved, that cadet may no longer post in the thread, with the exception of the cadet who was confirmed to be a
    Devotee
    at the
    Court
    .

Alright well it’s done then. Interesting that you never said your alignment because you have nothing to lose by being honest at this point, except for just allaying my anxiety.

But I can’t see why scum!Taly would have been so upset about my voting palace given that I think that probably every active poster but Herta and Meg were extremely suspicious of me yesterday. Scum!Taly would logically have preferred me over Rat, unless I’m once again not fully understanding how this works.

[MegAzumarill]

See yall on the other side I guess.

Wp taly if scum

[MegAzumarill]

In other news herta is now an IC.

How was i IC before this post?

Because I thought you posted after the vote

Ok it was late don't judge me

Either way now we all know you're a mean green scumhunting machine

[Taly]

Elements

is scum and likely just conceded.

[Nona1510]

Elements

is scum and likely just conceded.

Oh whew! relieved. I honestly don’t know why they thought scumreading me would work, so great, I was planning to vote you anyway. I just wanted some time to solve but I think Farren is probably the scum in dungeon and they probably voted dungeon to help their team because no change happened there.

Elements noticeably never commented on scum in the dungeon, so let’s hope it’s Farren and court doesn’t matter.

[Nona1510]

In other news herta is now an IC.

How was i IC before this post?

Because I thought you posted after the vote

Ok it was late don't judge me

Either way now we all know you're a mean green scumhunting machine

Meg, Rat, who’s scum in the dungeon and why?

[Nona1510]

Rat

, who should be voted in Palace?

Ironically, probably Nona. I don't think she's faking not understanding things at this point,

and while I would LIKE to trust you... I also trusted Meg and now I'm paranoid I was just completely wrong

This

really

bothers me

Rat

, because the implication is that you think

Meg/I

are S/S and you aren't even discerning our interactions.

Your suspicion of me is understandable but the rationale feels cheap as fuck.

I mean, it doesn't help that Meg's picked you as the preferred Palace vote, but also there's like. A billion layers of WIFOM here. Does Meg support their partner and risk looking aligned? Does Meg support Town to make themself look better? Does Meg support Town to frame them after their own flip?

This setup in general is just a massive winery, and I don't really know how to penetrate it tbh

Taly what do you think? Uninformed and paranoid or trying to help out their buddy Elements here?

[MegAzumarill]

In other news herta is now an IC.

How was i IC before this post?

Because I thought you posted after the vote

Ok it was late don't judge me

Either way now we all know you're a mean green scumhunting machine

Meg, Rat, who’s scum in the dungeon and why?

Farren, because they went their when they were supposed to be paired with my biggest 2 scum reads instead.

[Bellaphant]

In other news herta is now an IC.

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