Mini Normal 2289 - Postgame

[Alianna]

Another pagetop, might as well use it to advertise. If anyone is wanting to play a game themed around murder, murder, cannibalism, and more murder, might I suggest Donner Party?

[Firebringer]

Alianna who is in that game?

[Alianna]

In signups:

Alianna's Donner Party (13 days left)

1. furtiveglance
   
2. Save The Dragons
   
3. biancospino
   
4. catboi
   
5. Flea The Magician
   
6. KawaiiKame
   
7. Detective Penguin
   
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In queue:
LavosCore's Kingdom of Zeal - The Queens Chosen (Diffusion of Power)

[PenguinPower]

Alianna who is in that game?

me...on my alt

[Firebringer]

Alianna who is in that game?

me...on my alt

Sold

[DragonEater70]

Fine I'll join too, only so I can RVS vote StD.
And also because I really like Alianna so let me help her fill up her game.

[Alianna]

[furtiveglance]

I didn't mean to offend Lycanfire with my comment, it was more my own worry about being wagoned early

[furtiveglance]

Anyway, shame Penguin had to replace out

[Cat Scratch Fever]

GG all, well played scum!

[DkKoba]

a litmus test on being able to read not_mafia correctly

[Alchemist21]

Anyways,
Alchemist i hope i get to play with u again sometime. Legit wish i came in when u were around on day 1. Miss playing with you.

Cephrir i will have my revenge. I hope i roll scum against u next time or we roll it together. if we are together i will buss u to high heven as my revenge

Enchant i am taking away ur wizard license
Furtive i didn't see u coming at end, good work.

STD ur posts were best

Yes! I hate I missed getting to play with you!

[Alchemist21]

a litmus test on being able to read not_mafia correctly

Please share your secrets with me.

[Alchemist21]

A bit disappointed Town never flipped a single scum but it is what it is. Scum played really well.

Good game, everyone!

[Enchant]

Anyways,
Alchemist i hope i get to play with u again sometime. Legit wish i came in when u were around on day 1. Miss playing with you.

Cephrir i will have my revenge. I hope i roll scum against u next time or we roll it together. if we are together i will buss u to high heven as my revenge

Enchant i am taking away ur wizard license
Furtive i didn't see u coming at end, good work.

STD ur posts were best

wtf give back

[DkKoba]

not to blame the setup
but this setup was ridiculous lol

how so?

[Firebringer]

not to blame the setup
but this setup was ridiculous lol

how so?

Psychologist doesn't work with this setup.
Simple part of bg doesn't work either.

And there shouldn't have been a vanilla cop.

It was scumsided, but it wasn't the reason town lost.

[Lukewarm]

Hi. I read this game.

IDK, winning with quickhammer feels a bit... cheaty? And... unfun? If I were mafia I would like to win by outsmarting town, not by randomly having one townie vote another and quickhammering.

@DragonEater, I would caution against thinking about Elo this way.

Scum coordinating a quickhammer, in Elo is

playing to win condition

. Once a townie has voted another townie in Elo, the scum teams options become :
-Win the game right now
-Talk it out, and maybe win the game later, but maybe lose.

One of those is playing to win condition (There are cases where the quick hammer is not the best course of action, like if you think that that town could have a PR that could stop the win from occurring such as Loved/Vengeful/SuperSaint - but these are the exceptions, not the rule).

This is the method scum win in Elo in most scum win games: Hammering the moment they get the opportunity.

This does not lessen a scum win, because in order for the quick hammer to be possible, they needed to:
-Trick town into killing town day 1
-Trick town into killing town day 2
-Trick town into killing town day 3
-In Elo, trick a townie into voting for another townie.

That is a well earned scum win, even with the quickhammer being the tool to seal the deal.

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It is important to KNOW that this is The Scum's Way To Win In Elo.

So that when you are town, you know: If I vote in Elo, I must be ready to Bet The Game on this being a correct vote.

[Firebringer]

i think setup should have been like:

3 goons
novice 1 shot vigi
2 masons
1 bg
rest vanilla townies

vanilla cop given to help find prs is not needed and weakening bg serves only to weaken town for a setup that isn't very strong imo to begin with.
and i don't know what u expect pscyhologist to do

[furtiveglance]

not to blame the setup
but this setup was ridiculous lol

how so?

Psychologist doesn't work with this setup.
Simple part of bg doesn't work either.

And there shouldn't have been a vanilla cop.

It was scumsided, but it wasn't the reason town lost.

I disagree. Town had 5 power roles in 13, Masons are good, a vig is good, bodyguard (even simple) is good and could have pogged, Psychologist sucks. Vanilla Cop isn't that strong

[Firebringer]

BG is in no way good imo but w/e

[furtiveglance]

BG is in no way good imo but w/e

You're right, I was thinking of that role that dies but also kills the killer. What's that called here?

[Firebringer]

Suicide Bomber

[Cephrir]

vanilla cop is a meme-tier scum role but i was amused that it actually did something here

[Cephrir]

BG is in no way good imo but w/e

You're right, I was thinking of that role that dies but also kills the killer. What's that called here?

ive heard something like this being called elite bodyguard but i haven't seen it used in like. 8 years