Mini Theme 2290: Open ChatGPT - Game Over

[Doctor Drew]

And in more direct response to your 1095, I will say it again, I sent in my night action to vig Bianco, full stop.

And yet two other people ended up dying. One would assumed be the mafia NK, but given my action how does the other happen?

And this is why I encouraged mech talk, because I wanted a reason on what happened.

Shit, I even messaged the mod to make sure they got my night action.

[Doctor Drew]

And your 'grab bag of accusations'

You brought up that I couldn't wait long for a response and called you out too early.

Yes I got defensive because I knew the hydra posted, but in my haste didn't notice it was you.

But as I said, that wasn't the point. I wanted a response to both of what you quoted.

Not this little dog and pony show you keep displaying.

[Doctor Drew]

And your 'grab bag of accusations'

You brought up that I couldn't wait long for a response and called you out too early.

Yes I got defensive because I knew the hydra posted, but in my haste didn't notice it was you.

But as I said, that wasn't the point. I wanted a response to both of what you quoted.

Not this little dog and pony show you keep displaying.

*didn't notice it wasn't you

[Doctor Drew]

Here's a question, let's see if you will answer it.

When did you, Aisa(or any head of the hydra), look up me softing vig?

[Dei Ex Machina]

I'm not Morta, but I can try to answer some stuff. I do need to read up though.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

Here's a question, let's see if you will answer it.

When did you, Aisa(or any head of the hydra), look up me softing vig?

This, I can answer, but I'll need some clarification. Do you mean "where in the gamethread do we think you softed vigi?" or "when did we ISO you and find what we believed was a vigi soft?"

- Nyx

[Doctor Drew]

Here's a question, let's see if you will answer it.

When did you, Aisa(or any head of the hydra), look up me softing vig?

This, I can answer, but I'll need some clarification. Do you mean "where in the gamethread do we think you softed vigi?" or "when did we ISO you and find what we believed was a vigi soft?"

- Nyx

Aisa mentioned that I softed vig pretty early on.

So ya, when did you ISO me?

[Dei Ex Machina]

Morta ISOed you yesterday, citing 892, 902, and 906.

- Nyx

[Doctor Drew]

There’s still quite a lot to cover and I don’t think I can cover it all in this spurt of posting today.

Some highlights;
- I spent some time earlier trying to check Drew’s claim and bianco’s claim. As far as I can tell, there is no super overt contradiction. To Drew’s credit,

he softs vig quite far back

Morta ISOed you yesterday, citing 892, 902, and 906.

- Nyx

That doesn't seem 'quite far back', as you described.

And for the record, I did actually soft vig.....quite far back.

[Dei Ex Machina]

Unless I am blind, that is the only vig softing that Morta mentioned in the hydra PT. It is very possible that she saw something else, or that she's exaggerating.

- Nyx

[Doctor Drew]

Might have to put this sheep out to pasture.

This was he way back post that I am sure Aisa was referencing.

[Dei Ex Machina]

She said nothing about that, so I can't confirm or deny it.

- Nyx

[Doctor Drew]

Might have to put this sheep out to pasture.

This was he way back post that I am sure Aisa was referencing.

And oh look, it was D1.

When Aisa could have mentioned to Titus to use her delayed roleblock on me because she was afraid I would shoot Titus.

[KittyTacky]

Again I say, why are you assuming SK?

I killed Morning Tweet, I tried vigging Kitty(but maybe was blocked by Titus?), and last night I tried vigging Bianco.

Pre Edit: I know there is a role that if an action happens on them it gets redirected onto someone else, but I don't know the name lol

I am indeed VT so this is also questionful.

What is questionable?

I survived your "shot" so your claim is pretty questionable.

[Doctor Drew]

Again I say, why are you assuming SK?

I killed Morning Tweet, I tried vigging Kitty(but maybe was blocked by Titus?), and last night I tried vigging Bianco.

Pre Edit: I know there is a role that if an action happens on them it gets redirected onto someone else, but I don't know the name lol

I am indeed VT so this is also questionful.

What is questionable?

I survived your "shot" so your claim is pretty questionable.

I have been running with the assumption(as I just mentioned in my previous post) that Titus used her ability on me.

[Doctor Drew]

Again I say, why are you assuming SK?

I killed Morning Tweet, I tried vigging Kitty(but maybe was blocked by Titus?), and last night I tried vigging Bianco.

Pre Edit: I know there is a role that if an action happens on them it gets redirected onto someone else, but I don't know the name lol

I am indeed VT so this is also questionful.

What is questionable?

I survived your "shot" so your claim is pretty questionable.

I have been running with the assumption(as I just mentioned in my previous post) that Titus used her ability on me.

Possible I was JK by Menal.

[KittyTacky]

I know this is an AI-generated setup, but that feels highly implausible. What mod puts in an SK and two town killing roles?

- Nyx

One that doesn't understand what Mafia setups really look like. i.e an AI.

Still I doubt as we never had 3 kills unless I have suffered a catastrophic memory failure.

I'm not quite sure what you're referring to with "3 kills", but note there must be at least 3 sources of kills in the game:
- The mafia's factional kill
- Porkens's role
- A third role that caused either Porkens's or Menalque's death last night

I also feel it's a bit less likely that there would be a

fourth

killing role, since, as you say, there are quite a lot of missing kills.

Where are you at, KT? As we said at the start of the day, we might look to you for guidance on who to eliminate today. Is this something you're thinking about?

-Morta

This kind of decision, where the whole ass game lies in my hands, makes me anxious.

I suppose we should vote Drew. I'll catch up before I vote in case I cut off discussion.

Ugh. It does seem like a risky play if scum. In TOS it would get you hanged very fast if you claimed it but there players are more impulsive.

[Dei Ex Machina]

Might have to put this sheep out to pasture.

This was he way back post that I am sure Aisa was referencing.

And oh look, it was D1.

When Aisa could have mentioned to Titus to use her delayed roleblock on me because she was afraid I would shoot Titus.

Nice slip, that point only applies if you're lying.
You claimed to shoot Kitty, who was quite obviously jailed N2. My theory here (which is really a lot more than a theory at this point) is that you are serial killer, tried to kill someone else, and so you know that Kitty being jailed isn't the reason your kill went missing. So you're trying to find some other cause that is plausible in your world.

- Nyx

[KittyTacky]

Fuck. I'm not sure at all who to trust here. My gut says Drew.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

[Dei Ex Machina]

Considering they've been preparing to claim vig for a while and have softs to back it up, the risk is less than it might seem. As for getting shot at night? Bulletproof is probably the most common modifier to put on an SK.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

Oh, I misinterpreted that as you saying you trusted Drew.
Still wanted to say that though.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

Spoiler: Setup Spec

I know this is an AI-generated setup, but that feels highly implausible. What mod puts in an SK and two town killing roles?

- Nyx

Not to mention, that means town has/had a full jailkeeper, a supercop that auto-kills its guilties,

and

a vigilante. I'll admit I don't know that much about setup design, but something tells me that's not exactly balanced.

- Nyx

Also wanted to discuss some setup stuff.
We now believe it's more likely an SK

or

two town killing roles rather than an SK

and

two town killing roles, but the world in which the vigi claim is true still feels too swingy to be plausible.
The setup would be:

Mafia Delayed Roleblocker
Mafia Rolecop
Mafia Something Else
Town Jailkeeper
Town SuperCoptor (not looking up the name lol)
Town Vigilante
Vanilla Townie x6
Survivor Reflexive Redirector

I can think of more than one way for town to win on N1 with this setup. Any three of:
- mafia getting executed on Day 1
- Dr. Drew shooting a mafia
- Porkens guiltying and shooting a mafia
- the survivor redirecting a kill onto the mafia (perhaps even their own kill)
can lead to an instant town win. Any two, plus a mafia exe on D2, can lead to a town win on D2.

Instant scum win isn't as much of a problem, but I'm pretty sure there's a considerable amount of swing in that direction as well.
Also, though this is an AI-generated setup, I recall N_M saying he'd be try to make it somewhat balanced. I imagine he could get ChatGPT to generate something less swingy/unbalanced than this.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

I know the decision's pretty much made now.
I just haven't been able to be active in this thread much and wanted a chance to say my piece.

- Nyx

[Doctor Drew]

Might have to put this sheep out to pasture.

This was he way back post that I am sure Aisa was referencing.

And oh look, it was D1.

When Aisa could have mentioned to Titus to use her delayed roleblock on me because she was afraid I would shoot Titus.

Nice slip, that point only applies if you're lying.
You claimed to shoot Kitty, who was quite obviously jailed N2. My theory here (which is really a lot more than a theory at this point) is that you are serial killer, tried to kill someone else, and so you know that Kitty being jailed isn't the reason your kill went missing. So you're trying to find some other cause that is plausible in your world.

- Nyx

I hope you did some stretches before that bit of mental gymnastics.

I tried vigging Kitty, they didn't die, Titus was elim'ed, they were a delayed roleblocker, Aisa said she saw I softed vig 'way back', my soft was potentially a threat to Titus, Aisa mentioned that to Titus.

I am trying to find out why my vig of Kitty didn't go through, yes. And my theory holds water, especially when your own hydra mate contradicted you in the game thread lol.