Election! | GAME OVER

[Alisae]

You sound like you had a lot of fun today!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i'm a good girl, or at leaast that's what i'm told

you are!

oh my god yay!

:3

[We're all good girls, tonight.]

[GuiltyLion]

Vote: Meowth

This is an attrocious reads list. On all notes. But MOST OF ALL.

this is literally a scum claim. "done nothing of note" Lie. "NAI as either alignment, like Pooky. ... TOWN FOR NOW?"

Kill this with fire, please.

I don't want to vote ingle or today

I want to vote UNOwen or meowth

I don't think meowth's recent list is particularly bad, although I did scumread him earlier.

It's hard to see UNOwen and meowth as aligned at the moment, and I prefer voting UNOwen.

it's actually wild that furtive claims he killed meowth and not LLD lmfao

w i l d

[rereading Pooky's posts is giving me a lil of his spirit]

[GuiltyLion]

yeah this game is so much more straightforward with being centered on scum!furtive

[furtiveglance]

I never said I killed meowth.

Why do people keep lying about what I said or did?

[Bingle]

Can people stop repeating the lie that LLD killed meowth? My scumread on meowth predated pretty much anyone's.

This is exactly what I mean when I reference the weird shit furtive’s done umbrella.

[Bingle]

Like… “I didn’t say that thing I said four pages ago” is such a bizarro take.

[furtiveglance]

Yeah I said I was one of the first players to express a scumread on meowth, which is true. I didn't say I killed meowth.

[furtiveglance]

As for people saying I'm OMGUSing...this is a crucial point in the game and I know scum will want my elimination...so yeah I'm wary of people who are 'happy' to kill me, or worse, want to surrender agency to some other player at such a pivotal moment because 'they're a better player'.

[Bingle]

Who is saying you're OMGUS-ing?

[Bingle]

Yeah I said I was one of the first players to express a scumread on meowth, which is true. I didn't say I killed meowth.

You have to admit that saying "LLD didn't kill meowth. I was one of the first people on meowth." at least is implicitly saying that you were responsible for the meowth lim. Otherwise there's no connection between those points and you're just not giving any reasoning for why LLD championing the meowth lim wasn't a big part of why meowth is dead. Either that's just avoiding the point with a non sequitur or a reach for towncred, neither of which look particularly good.

[Bingle]

I realized I never shared treasury info - we had a decent windfall from taxes last night, we brought in $125. So even with paying back a $60 loan we could have $65 to play with and maybe take out another small loan. my thinking is we just fund the cop tonight and no one else, if sheep is town he's useful to flip and get out of the POE without wasting a lim if scum kills him, and if he lives he can investigate Bingle or whoever we're least sure of in the limpool

And $125 is still pretty low. We should be expecting $16.75 per player, which gives us an expectation of ~$150 with 9 alive. Paying back the $60 loan should be $90, should it not?

[furtiveglance]

Yeah I said I was one of the first players to express a scumread on meowth, which is true. I didn't say I killed meowth.

You have to admit that saying "LLD didn't kill meowth. I was one of the first people on meowth." at least is implicitly saying that you were responsible for the meowth lim. Otherwise there's no connection between those points and you're just not giving any reasoning for why LLD championing the meowth lim wasn't a big part of why meowth is dead. Either that's just avoiding the point with a non sequitur or a reach for towncred, neither of which look particularly good.

It was a team effort. I do think I deserve credit from it yeah, and that LLD is trying to take too much.

[furtiveglance]

Who is saying you're OMGUS-ing?

LLD.

[kdowns]

I’m still catching up while also reading current pages.

Lld is almost certainly town from how she’s playing and communicating. This is just from my past experiences of talking with her in different aspects. Her getting heated and aggressive in my eyes is Indicative of town

[kdowns]

Also if you needed my votes

Treasurer[0] , GuiltyLion
Sherriff[1] Sheepsaysmeep
Mayor[0] Bingle
Council Member[0] Unowen,
Trash Collector[0] LLD
Board of Election[0] STD

[GuiltyLion]

I realized I never shared treasury info - we had a decent windfall from taxes last night, we brought in $125. So even with paying back a $60 loan we could have $65 to play with and maybe take out another small loan. my thinking is we just fund the cop tonight and no one else, if sheep is town he's useful to flip and get out of the POE without wasting a lim if scum kills him, and if he lives he can investigate Bingle or whoever we're least sure of in the limpool

And $125 is still pretty low. We should be expecting $16.75 per player, which gives us an expectation of ~$150 with 9 alive. Paying back the $60 loan should be $90, should it not?

My understanding is it's per townie, not per player. Scum aren't paying taxes

I think you're right on the second point though, the role pm just said we are $60 in debt, I'll confirm whether that means we need to pay $90

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I realized I never shared treasury info - we had a decent windfall from taxes last night, we brought in $125. So even with paying back a $60 loan we could have $65 to play with and maybe take out another small loan. my thinking is we just fund the cop tonight and no one else, if sheep is town he's useful to flip and get out of the POE without wasting a lim if scum kills him, and if he lives he can investigate Bingle or whoever we're least sure of in the limpool

And $125 is still pretty low. We should be expecting $16.75 per player, which gives us an expectation of ~$150 with 9 alive. Paying back the $60 loan should be $90, should it not?

My understanding is it's per townie, not per player. Scum aren't paying taxes

I think you're right on the second point though, the role pm just said we are $60 in debt, I'll confirm whether that means we need to pay $90

Maybe don't commit to just this.

How would WIFOMING between 3 options sound?

Borrow and fund Sheep
Borrow and fun Me
Don't borrow and pay debts for a better full fund tomorrow night.

The third one is a LITTLE risky but honestly might be our win path this game.

If you wanna just commit to it it's a fine play, making scum have to shoot sheep or not.

[sheepsaysmeep]

curious furtive what do you think about me saying alisae feels very different vibes from Business game

[sheepsaysmeep]

I like alisae better now but I still think that line of reasoning holds true

[Bingle]

I looked at the role pm and it does totally imply the scum don't pay taxes. I'm just used to moderators using townie and player interchangeably in the review process, ig. That... actually solves my concern about why we were consistently coming in underfunded, although it makes it significantly less likely the scum power is budget based, which in turn increases the likelihood of a scum rb or Sman. I will say with the reduced amount of funding expected a full rb is probably a bit much to expect of scum here, but being able to frame ali seems likely.

I do think that means that we shouldn't at all go for a small loan here. A loan of $80 (funding sheep fully) means a payback of $120. Five players paying taxes (assuming we get the scumlim, so best case scenario) gives an average return of just over $90, so we're super likely to default with even a small loan. A full loan of $200 gives us two roles full funded or 3 roles decently funded, at the expense of us probably never getting out of debt this game. I would go 80/80/70 on COP/JOAT/TRACK (approximate odds of success 72/100/70 %).

If I get the funding, I'll be posting my target in the PT as close to the deadline as I can and would like to manipulate nightstart to help with that. Given that my ability and LLD's would be counterproductive to target the same person with, I'd be vaguely to a targeting pool plan, where we limit who we can target to prevent overlap. I'm not going to offer unilateral control of my target, however, and the pool will 100% be decided in the main thread, since the only scumteam without PT access would be Ali/Furtive/SK.

[Bingle]

If we do the above, LLD should be targeting in the scummier pool (and both me and sheep) and I should be targeting the townier pool.

I'd go with

Alisae
Bingle
sheepsaysmeep
Kdowns

SleepyKrew
GuiltyLion
Lady Lambdadelta
Unowen

as the pools if we lim furtive.

[UNOwen]

A full loan of $200 gives us two roles full funded or 3 roles decently funded, at the expense of us probably never getting out of debt this game. I would go 80/80/70 on COP/JOAT/TRACK (approximate odds of success 72/100/70 %).

Does the Mayor only have a salary of $80?

[UNOwen]

I like alisae better now but I still think that line of reasoning holds true

Why?

I don't trust the rapid deescalation from Alisae any more than the rapid escalation.
On board with executing furtive today though.

[Bingle]

No, I formatted that wrong copying from the spreadsheet with the math. The mayor is 100.

Should be

A full loan of $200 gives us two roles full funded or 3 roles decently funded, at the expense of us probably never getting out of debt this game. I would go 80/80/70 on COP/TRACK/JOAT (approximate odds of success 72/100/70 %).