Election! | GAME OVER

[SleepyKrew]

I could've faked an inno, I could've faked a guilty, but instead I got a real inno. Yeah scum me COULD have done that but

[Bingle]

Wouldn't no result have forced us to kill you? Like, mechabically speaking.

It would have been scum indicative, but not necessarily a slam dunk scum case. It's kind of like the alisae thing, where there is an explanation for why it could be the case, but we would have had to make the decision of whether that 20% chance was reasonable doubt. I think anything higher than 90% funding is reasonable to rely on and anything over 60% is potentially viable, but I'm also willing to take risks like that and roll the dice. It's why I enjoy craps as much as I do. I know, on an intellectual level, that what I'm doing is just spending money to have a good time, but I still play the riskier bets on occasion because I like the gamble.

[Alisae]

Bingle got it twisted

[Alisae]

Guy likes to bet the house on crabs

[Bingle]

As my pappy always used to say: "Who needs a house when you have crabs!"

[Lady Lambdadelta]

CrabRave.mp3

[Alisae]

we lost it all!!!

[SleepyKrew]

house is gone

[Alisae]

House is over
Homelessness new meta

[Lady Lambdadelta]

House is over
Homelessness new meta

he was banned a while back

[Alisae]

I think he started playing again around the time I requested self ban

[Alisae]

He really liked me

[Thestatusquo]

My apologies everyone I was out all day, I will get the ballot up now.

[Thestatusquo]

It is now Election Phase

Current Candidates

Treasurer[0]

FurtiveGlance, GuiltyLion

Sherriff[1]

Alisae, Sheepsaysmeep

Mayor[0]

Bingle

Council Member[0]

Unowen, SleepyKrew

Trash Collector[0]

LLD

Board of Election[0]

STD

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2023-03-27 23:45:00)

As always if everyone votes for a fast election election phase will end when the last ballot is submitted.

[Alisae]

Furtive - Killing GL today would be poggers.
Bingle
Sleepy
LLD
STD

You should vote for me for cop if you don't want to kill me today but you want to see me get shot
you should vote for sheep if you want to kill me today

[Alisae]

also remember to vote for a fast election phase please!

[furtiveglance]

Vote me for treasurer, then we can vote out GL. Otherwise the game really does get put in a horrible place.

[furtiveglance]

Is this thing on?

Stump speech time.

Good citizens of Mafiascum dot net,

This is a critical moment in our history. As such, we need a Treasurer we can trust, who will do the right thing in tough situations.

I am the right person for the job. I will press the 'oh shit' button and fund all the roles, so we can completely derail the scumteam's plans tonight and mount a sweeping comeback in the coming days.

My opponent, GuiltyLion, is sus. Need I say more?

Vote for freedom.

Vote for fun.

Vote for furtiveglance.

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

Alicop Alicop Alicop

[GuiltyLion]

Even from a position where you believe that the failed doc is a 100% case, the thing you should be arguing there is that there was a failed doc. Trying to get Ali limmed on the back of "Ali is trying to live" is not a good look at all. I'm not sure if that's an ineffective argument tell or an overblown performance which is the whole point behind asking for the meta.

ok, but the issue is - nobody except scum really knows what happened or whether there's a failed doc. I think Alisae lying is clearly the most likely explanation, it seems that opinion is not widely shared, how do I go about convincing people it's the most likely explanation? I could do the math, ask people to assign probabilities to P(scum have a role blocker), P(scum role blocker is active on N3) - (does it need funding? is it X-shot? would they have used it on N1 or N2?), and P(scum correctly guessed Alisae was doc), and then do the actual math to show the compounding unlikelihood once you take all those things together. but historically I've found people don't like math arguments and get annoyed at me for making them. I've tried just yelling about it a bit and was told that's "bad vibes". I don't know what other kind of argument you'd be expecting me to make about how likely it is that there's a failed doc, it's kind of a thing you either believe or you don't, so the next best thing IMO is to start highlighting the scumminess in Alisae's play.

on that point, it's a bit more than just Alisae is trying to live, it's that Alisae's

play

is designed to live rather than find or push scum. Why does Alisae scumread me? Has Alisae actually cased me anywhere or attempted to engage with players who seem to be townreading me? Do you think Alisae would be scumreading me if I came into today townreading em and pushing some other random slot?

Further,

how

Is Alisae trying to engage with me or push eis view of the game? E's trying to imply that the opening post states that an ability to negate a doc protect exists when it doesn't actually state that (3918, 3920, 3928). Note how Alisae shifts the argument to some bullshit about "you think this is a FTC setup" which is just intrinsically dishonest when the limited treasury and fact that we

elect a player of unknown alignment to be cop

immediately makes it not a FTC setup. And then there's the "Alisae is not speaking to or about me in the way that town speaks about their scumreads" point which I feel I'm either not explaining well or it's not landing with people - to try to summarize it again there should be an evident contrast between how I engage with Alisae where I'm either actually laying out my thinking as to why e is scum or

providing opportunities to explain emself via pointed questions

(3906, 3991, 4091) - like, these posts aren't just rhetorical, I'd generally expect town to be able to elucidate why they think it's "brain off" to assume the failed doc means doc is likely to be scum, or what they would expect town!me to do and how that differs from what I'm doing, or why they're making a post like 4089. But Alisae doesn't engage with these fronts, instead I'm just met with meaningless antagonism like "you're a wolf, so" (4016), "I'm letting your posts speak for yourself" (4086), "killing GL would be poggers" (4264) and any attempt to engage at a deeper level is just ignored. That is how scum plays when they want to throw dirt on the loud voice against them and win the charisma game to the rest of the PL.

[Alisae]

[GuiltyLion]

tbh I ran for treasurer explicitly so killing furtive wouldn't be off the table today if Alisae does towntell or we decide to let em be cop (which I'm against, but history shows I do not have a ton of sway this game). If we wind up electing furtive treasure that will say a lot itself especially if I wind up limmed instead, so just vote who genuinely think is more likely to be town, I'm not gonna give a speech

[Lady Lambdadelta]

tbh I ran for treasurer explicitly so killing furtive wouldn't be off the table today if Alisae does towntell or we decide to let em be cop (which I'm against, but history shows I do not have a ton of sway this game). If we wind up electing furtive treasure that will say a lot itself especially if I wind up limmed instead, so just vote who genuinely think is more likely to be town, I'm not gonna give a speech

we can kill treasurer.

at this point electing a scum treasurer is kind of bad but our money is near drained anyway so. We're not losing much.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Plus treasurer has to submit before a vote anyway so