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Post Post #1100 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:25 am

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In post 1099, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 910, Gimli wrote:
Spoiler: some things from sail's ISO
In post 482, Sail wrote:
In post 95, Firebringer wrote: What would scum u do differently coming into this game?
This is the kind of pointless, open-ended question that I often see scum ask.
agree with this take and like the scumhunting posting from sail
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In post 102, Firebringer wrote:
In post 98, Gimli wrote: you're the one making associatives already. have I said I was sure you're scum, or have I said I don't believe your reactions to me?
u immediately said i was white knighting for kawaii, which to me was TMI that u knew kawaii was town. I don't know how u come to conclusion i was white knighting when i have not said a word about kawaii.

For all i know ur bussing kawaii but ur reaction tells me thats unlikely.
This is quite bad. Players often accuse others of white-knighting precisely because it seems like they are scum defending a town. Firebringer tries to frame this interaction as if Gimli thought that Firebringer’s scumread of Gimli was scummy, but Firebringer doesn’t acknowledge the possibility that there was a specific characteristic of his scumread that alerted Gimli that Firebringer was white-knighting.
So far, both Gimli and Firebringer seem scummy. Despite this, their interaction doesn’t seem like S/S. This is because of Firebringer’s slightly disingenuous characterization of Gimli’s posts. In my experience, scumpartners who are bussing try to fully understand their scumpartner’s posts before attacking them.
I like all of this as towny even though I disagree with the core of it.
In post 486, Sail wrote:
In post 113, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 109, Firebringer wrote: i like kawaii questioning
Why? I'm inquisitive by nature, so I like it too
I'm asking 2 late, Ik why now
This is fairly towny. I don’t think that scum would question Firebringer’s early townread on them, and this post feels like genuine sorting.
this is a good perception of kawaii and +town points for sail imo.
In post 521, Sail wrote:
In post 220, Gimli wrote: I hate people townreading me, it makes the game harder to solve, but I like the people that did tr me except for cephrir
This type of metacognition tends to come from town.
it's true and good perception imo.
In post 592, Sail wrote:
In post 287, Firebringer wrote: i dont think ive been all that townie.
so i don't feel that great about dragon eater calling me town this fast.
On the other hand, this type of questioning a townread that another player has on them is scummy, as opposed to Kawaii's . The difference is that here, Firebringer uses it as an opportunity to shade Dragon. Meanwhile, Kawaii asked questions in in order to get a better read on Firebringer.
kind of dislike the comparison thing, seems to be more of a thing wolves post to appear towny, but the comparison makes sense and FB is scummier or at least way more performative doing it than kawaii, who just appears to be genuine abt it.
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Flea wrote:
Ceph wrote:
FB wrote: hey cephrir u have a gun
who would u eat right now

Furtive. Struggles to post as scum
Disagree. Has been a while admittedly, and I also think we're a little early to be dropping lines like that.

Scrolling sees that you admit you're wrong, cool. Still don't like how early that lines come out.
I think that because Cephrir admitted that he was wrong without being pushed about it indicates a town thought process. It seems more likely to me that Cephrir wasn’t paying enough attention to the game and then went back and reevaluated.
In post 687, Sail wrote:
In post 643, DragonEater70 wrote: I'm a bit lazy to scroll through the entire ISO (or even more than a handful of posts). What I did see is that in Mutiny, Scum!Flea was putting on a pretense of scumhunting and participating which I don't really see here, and which actually made me townread them in Mutiny. So I guess bc they are scummier they are town? Is that what you guys are seeing?
In that game, it seemed that Flea cared a lot more about how other people saw them. Flea felt more of a need to justify their, albeit valid, reasons why they were away/not reading than in this game. What most stuck out to me about Flea's ISO in HMS Mutiny is that it seemed like Flea was either faking being friendly, or Flea was more nervous - I can't tell which. Either way, I don't perceive this to be how Flea is playing in this game.
I almost like this enough to feel bad about wagoning flea.



sail is like very likely town and a bad wagon imo.
Btw Gimli, at no point last day did you call Sail anything but town so why did you shoot them?
I ISO'd a bit at night. I think sail was doing too much of a 'i dont like player doing x cause this is what scum does' and 'i like player doing y cause y is something town does', felt like mechanically arguing throughout so I shot there.

I don't wanna brag about it I think I just got lucky tbh
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Post Post #1101 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:31 am

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Sorry to immediately move back into paranoia but this setup is like gold for scum to fake claime town cannibal if they are shot day 1 so i'll err on the side of caution and not call you locktown here, even if i'm more on the "Probably Gimli just town" territory.
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Post Post #1102 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:32 am

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yes I know

I insta claimed for this reason fwiw
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Post Post #1103 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:34 am

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Ok I'm dietician and firebringer is cannibal.

VOTE: firebringer
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Post Post #1104 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:35 am

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we might have auto
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Post Post #1105 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:35 am

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FBer if you don't counterclaim town cannibal I'm gonna be very sad
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Post Post #1106 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:36 am

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In post 1103, Save The Dragons wrote: Ok I'm dietician and firebringer is cannibal.

VOTE: firebringer
Whaaat.
Nooo not an betrayal from Fire of all people.
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Post Post #1107 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:37 am

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town's NAs dissolved the fuck out of this game

good to be a part of it
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Post Post #1108 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:37 am

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Would they be the SK then? I read Sail's ISO and it feels like Sail/Fire aren't aligned.
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Post Post #1109 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:38 am

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VOTE: Firebringer

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Post Post #1110 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:38 am

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VOTE: Firebringer

I got carried hard this game
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Post Post #1111 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:38 am

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I wanna read Fire's defense before i do anything.
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Post Post #1112 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:40 am

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stop voting firebringer

we might have auto with the roleblocker action, give it a second
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Post Post #1113 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:40 am

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I was ready for another intense day why you guys gotta make it so trivial.
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Post Post #1114 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:45 am

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In post 1086, Gimli wrote: well I should hardclaim anyway

I'm the town cannibal

last night I ate sail

they were mafia
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Post Post #1115 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:46 am

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In post 1103, Save The Dragons wrote: Ok I'm dietician and firebringer is cannibal.

VOTE: firebringer
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Post Post #1116 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:51 am

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9 alive today
lim 1, sk kills 1, i'll assume vig announces their target so they hit the bp and we win, or they miss
6 alive, 1 clear from dietician
lim 1, sk kills dietician
4 alive with roleblocker alive and clear and one clear plus 1 clear from dietician
there's no scenario where roleblocker ever gets two clears or ever dies prior to getting one clear and i don't think we can lose if we coordinate all our night actions

i blocked firebringer
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Post Post #1117 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:53 am

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literally firebringer/sail then
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Post Post #1118 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:53 am

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I'm eating furtive tonight cause I think he'd kill the peng
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Post Post #1119 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:55 am

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In post 1118, Gimli wrote: I'm eating furtive tonight cause I think he'd kill the peng
Gimli please

Don't make me beg

Eat DragonEater and you'll be top of the food chain
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Post Post #1120 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:56 am

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In post 1119, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 1118, Gimli wrote: I'm eating furtive tonight cause I think he'd kill the peng
Gimli please

Don't make me beg

Eat DragonEater and you'll be top of the food chain
Sounds like auto anyway.
Well, it was fun.
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Post Post #1121 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:57 am

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it's at minimum very close to auto
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Post Post #1122 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:57 am

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we can all move on then?
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Post Post #1123 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:30 am

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In post 1111, NorwegianboyEE wrote: I wanna read Fire's defense before i do anything.
naah man im scum
roleblocked and checked night 1. GG no re

I can help out find the SK for u guys otherwise we can just end this day
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Post Post #1124 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:37 am

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Oki.
VOTE: Firebringer
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