Micro 1071: MafiaInFreezer v2023 (Game Over)

[catboi]

anyway, i don't want to kill notty today anymore, sadly.

there's been enough apathy and very little time left that this new apathy string doesn't feel like it saves him so i wonder

then who are you looking at

[Syryana]

Man, this was not what I was expecting. This is like 2014 notty instead of 2023 notty. Where's the Cobra Kai?

I'm gonna be honest I looked at that notty post and my first instinct was "antispew". I try to avoid saying that because it's really not nice to say about someone when it's incorrect, but. Feels like beyond phoning it in it's refusing to commit to anything meaningful which I'd associae with not wanting to give anything away

Sadly I agree with you in that it was the first thing that I thought when I read it. The more I think about it the more I'm starting to get deja vu from yesterday though.

I told you coming into today I expected to die in karmic retribution lol

I think clearing me off the board keeps me from being a marci tomorrow so logistically, yeah, I think it makes sense

If you're town here dude work with me here. Forget about the lolhammer, we all do dumb shit from time to time, it happened, let's do something about it.

UNVOTE:

[Lady Lambdadelta]

anyway, i don't want to kill notty today anymore, sadly.

there's been enough apathy and very little time left that this new apathy string doesn't feel like it saves him so i wonder

then who are you looking at

Syr You or Kilga

[Kilgamayan]

yes I'm fucking with you, i don't know what elements of her play you consider suspicious here. i know i'm making you do more work than i otherwise usually would but treat me like i'm barely holding on this game lol

Per 486, I think Ydrasse is a wolf for repeatedly refusing to explain why she has the suspicions/thought processes she has posted. Given 489 and 494 have since followed, I suppose this could be modified to "I think Ydrasse is a wolf for being exceedingly vague, to the point of total unhelpfulness, as to why she has the suspicions/thought processes she has posted." 407 is the primary post here from me, if you're looking for a starting point; the questions in that post either were answered with what boils down to "gut, sorry" or not answered at all. I can get into the weeds of why "being exceedingly vague, to the point of total unhelpfulness, as to why one has the suspicions/thought processes one has posted" is Wolf Behavior, but that's largely theorycraft that I don't really want to have to clog the thread with if I can avoid it.

Given there are less than 36 hours remaining before deadline, I suppose I should say that, while I would prefer Ydrasse get chucked off the island, I would be willing to compromise on catboi. I'm not really interested in booting !science - I feel the emotion shown throughout the day is genuine - and would only vote that way if necessary to avoid ending the day without an elimination.

[Syryana]

Kilga what do you think of 524

[catboi]

anyway, i don't want to kill notty today anymore, sadly.

there's been enough apathy and very little time left that this new apathy string doesn't feel like it saves him so i wonder

then who are you looking at

Syr You or Kilga

i really think syr is playing his town game here

[Lady Lambdadelta]

anyway, i don't want to kill notty today anymore, sadly.

there's been enough apathy and very little time left that this new apathy string doesn't feel like it saves him so i wonder

then who are you looking at

Syr You or Kilga

i really think syr is playing his town game here

yeah?

[notscience]

He sounds more awkward as scum

[catboi]

yes I'm fucking with you, i don't know what elements of her play you consider suspicious here. i know i'm making you do more work than i otherwise usually would but treat me like i'm barely holding on this game lol

Per 486, I think Ydrasse is a wolf for repeatedly refusing to explain why she has the suspicions/thought processes she has posted. Given 489 and 494 have since followed, I suppose this could be modified to "I think Ydrasse is a wolf for being exceedingly vague, to the point of total unhelpfulness, as to why she has the suspicions/thought processes she has posted." 407 is the primary post here from me, if you're looking for a starting point; the questions in that post either were answered with what boils down to "gut, sorry" or not answered at all. I can get into the weeds of why "being exceedingly vague, to the point of total unhelpfulness, as to why one has the suspicions/thought processes one has posted" is Wolf Behavior, but that's largely theorycraft that I don't really want to have to clog the thread with if I can avoid it.

Given there are less than 36 hours remaining before deadline, I suppose I should say that, while I would prefer Ydrasse get chucked off the island, I would be willing to compromise on catboi. I'm not really interested in booting !science - I feel the emotion shown throughout the day is genuine - and would only vote that way if necessary to avoid ending the day without an elimination.

see i don't actually believe this is genuine whatsoever

"she is scum for not explaining reads" is something I expect scum to push on in, like, a newbie game it's a very

basic

notion of what scum do but isn't particularly grounded in reality

she's playing the game more intuitively rather than being strongly logical and I think it's possible to recognize that some people act that way. she's capable of making up logical sounding arguments as scum and if anything the lack of energy/struggle to articulate is more likelya towntell

but

also

she

has

ventured into explaining her views of the game and it makes sense to me when she has done it so acting like she has not done anything feels uncharitable


so I don't really buy that you're actually looking to sort people here. You're just coming in going "not explain = scum" and that is the behavior I would expect scum to take because it's a very unimaginative line of thought that is easy to push. I don't think you're trying to find scum over looking for things to push

[notscience]

Ydras such a weird push to make as scum in this position though

[catboi]

anyway, i don't want to kill notty today anymore, sadly.

there's been enough apathy and very little time left that this new apathy string doesn't feel like it saves him so i wonder

then who are you looking at

Syr You or Kilga

i really think syr is playing his town game here

yeah?

last brush was scum him was in a game where he got hyperposted to death and lost all motivation and burned out for a couple years so may not be definitive but it's like

in that game he just kind of put on a show of faked enthusiasm and go gittem boys attitude but there was never any substance behind it and when things started getting more nuanced he couldn't come up with anything

and here he's solvey and trying to lead stuff and has, like, actual depth of thought

[catboi]

Ydras such a weird push to make as scum in this position though

not if she's been consistently maintaining suspicion of him for most of the game? omgus and discredit your attacker is

pretty reliable

play, if anything

[catboi]

Can I just take a moment to say the fixed quote tags are very comforting they're just so aesthetic to look at

[Kilgamayan]

Kilga what do you think of 524

- I think the bolded paragraph in the first spoiled post is an attempt to dodge my suspicion of her by flinging suspicion right back at me.
- I think the second spoiled post is using one of the themes of Day 1 to avoid having to actually address the meat of what I had to say in 330. The uncertainty surrounding whether or not to vote for me is far more "wolf uncertain how a vote on me will reflect on her"; an honest town would have just cast the vote knowing it (a) was a genuine honest vote, and (b) relatively inconsequential unless it was followed by the same vote from three other people. (Yes, I am aware how Day 1 ended.)
- I think the third spoiled paragraph is continued dodging of answering my questions meaningfully, but I've mentioned that before.

So I vehemently disagree with all of catboi's assessments, and am quite open to the idea that they're willful misreadings.

[notscience]

I suppose. Just figured the lack of traction makes it iffy, especially in a day that’s dragging out like this one has

She’s also presently voting me iirc?

Maybe I just have a soft spot from pushing her as town when everyone kept saying she was just town and I’m drawing some false equivalency or something

[Ydrasse]

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i just don't think Catboi/Kilga are T/T

[Ydrasse]

well fmpov catboi is correct and kilga seems like nonsensically tunneled on me and refuses to like… believe in a world where i just don’t play like his assumptions of how town should play. this is minimizing all the other words but i feel like it’s basically “gut not good enough. die.”

however i am a wittle scared of pockets. just a bit.

[notscience]

Does it mean I’m pocketed if I townread 540

[Ydrasse]

like i guess it’s the sort of push i can see town making because it’s taking literally every single thing i do and making it wolfy which i feel like i’ve done as town when i was convinced of something

[Ydrasse]

Does it mean I’m pocketed if I townread 540

no (:

[catboi]

I suppose. Just figured the lack of traction makes it iffy, especially in a day that’s dragging out like this one has

She’s also presently voting me iirc?

Maybe I just have a soft spot from pushing her as town when everyone kept saying she was just town and I’m drawing some false equivalency or something

i don't really subscribe to wagonomics based arguments except when I need to bullshit reasons to try to get people to agree with me, I think kilga keeps pushing that angle because why not

especially if people are defaulting to you and you are town it is extremely beneficial for scum to be looking elsewhere and distancing from your wagon assuming you'll be shrugyeeted

and like then plausibly he's set up a 1v1 in elo with a bunch of arguments he's already laid groundwork to discredit her with

[Kilgamayan]

yes I'm fucking with you, i don't know what elements of her play you consider suspicious here. i know i'm making you do more work than i otherwise usually would but treat me like i'm barely holding on this game lol

Per 486, I think Ydrasse is a wolf for repeatedly refusing to explain why she has the suspicions/thought processes she has posted. Given 489 and 494 have since followed, I suppose this could be modified to "I think Ydrasse is a wolf for being exceedingly vague, to the point of total unhelpfulness, as to why she has the suspicions/thought processes she has posted." 407 is the primary post here from me, if you're looking for a starting point; the questions in that post either were answered with what boils down to "gut, sorry" or not answered at all. I can get into the weeds of why "being exceedingly vague, to the point of total unhelpfulness, as to why one has the suspicions/thought processes one has posted" is Wolf Behavior, but that's largely theorycraft that I don't really want to have to clog the thread with if I can avoid it.

Given there are less than 36 hours remaining before deadline, I suppose I should say that, while I would prefer Ydrasse get chucked off the island, I would be willing to compromise on catboi. I'm not really interested in booting !science - I feel the emotion shown throughout the day is genuine - and would only vote that way if necessary to avoid ending the day without an elimination.

see i don't actually believe this is genuine whatsoever

"she is scum for not explaining reads" is something I expect scum to push on in, like, a newbie game it's a very

basic

notion of what scum do but isn't particularly grounded in reality

she's playing the game more intuitively rather than being strongly logical and I think it's possible to recognize that some people act that way. she's capable of making up logical sounding arguments as scum and if anything the lack of energy/struggle to articulate is more likelya towntell

but

also

she

has

ventured into explaining her views of the game and it makes sense to me when she has done it so acting like she has not done anything feels uncharitable


so I don't really buy that you're actually looking to sort people here. You're just coming in going "not explain = scum" and that is the behavior I would expect scum to take because it's a very unimaginative line of thought that is easy to push. I don't think you're trying to find scum over looking for things to push

"not explain = wolf" is an oversimplification of my stance on Ydrasse. It's a matter "repeatedly ask, repeatedly get nothing useful". I do recognize that some people play the game intuitively - when those people lay out their intuition in ways that are reasonable to follow, I have no problem unless the layouts don't make sense as coming from a town position.

[catboi]

also sometimes scum don't always make pushes that are like,totally logical or obviously tactical even though I think what kilga is doing makes tons of sense from a scum pov

"weird" pushes can come from town or scum but the objective is to assess motivation and, well. I don't buy what kilga is saying

[GuyInFreezer]

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