Micro 1071: MafiaInFreezer v2023 (Game Over)

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 2.05

Ydrasse (1):

Kilgamayan

notscience (2):

Syryana, Ydrasse

Not Voting:

notscience, catboi, Lady Lambdadelta, Dunnstral

With 7 remaining, 4 to eliminate

deadline

(expired on 2023-03-22 21:47:33)

[Syryana]

A !science push times of all times feels

really

bizarrely timed. If there's reason to vote for him now surely there was reason to vote for him on Tuesday?

I have a reason for this, but I'm not talking about it yet.

[catboi]

his posting today has been underwhelming after promising to do things but he also had that big v/la so i dunno

i don't have good reason to townread him now though. i want to give him a chance to actually play...still

Oh for god's sake just bus him already

it's cute that you think i need that much prompting

but i'm not ruling out the possibility he's town who has completely potato'd this game, not intentionally, but just because of unfortunate circumstances, and i'm being guarded against that possibility

if his play is a problem then he's gotta go but after my last game i'm not going to act like this is a slam dunk

[catboi]

hot take:

VOTE: LLD

I think she's not been towny where other people have exhibited some signs and in the back of my mind I have been thinking the wavelength kill makes sense as a low info kill.

That's a spicy take indeed. What makes you think scum, specifically? Happy to wait until you're done with your reread.

Pedit I agree the cakez back off was underwhelming. Thing is for me the little fingerwag she did at the start of toDay doesn't really ring scum for me, I wouldn't expect such an... obvious? move to come from her as scum.

I know this post is a week old, but what do you mean by the finger wag thing?

[catboi]

after the, uh, moment that derailed the game I don't have a ton of commentary to add

- I think syr is pretty towny actually and I liked what he was doing on page 14, it feels like he has been trying to kick the game into gear even if the engine won't start

- still think kilga is scummy

[catboi]

and since I think you're town I can maybe try to explain that ydrasse townread to you

[Kilgamayan]

- still think kilga is scummy

Clearly a conclusion drawn from reading my posts carefully, which recently included a question directed at you that you ignored entirely :V

[Kilgamayan]

Still, it feels bizarre to me that on Day 2 of a micro your threshold for being willing to vote someone is "not clearly coming from town"? That doesn't feel like you're...actually trying to solve my alignment or investigate deeper meanings. Similarly, your reasoning for LLD is she "lacks discernible explanations for stances". That doesn't really strike me as a believable tell at all - just because someone isn't explaining their reads it doesn't mean they don't have any, I would sincerely doubt she wouldn't have reasons, regardless of her alignment. But you haven't bothered to actually try and investigate her at all, like possibly asking for explanations, just taken the stance you'd be okay with voting her. That doesn't sit right with me.

Going back to this for a moment. Okay, sure! (Note that my commentary in 435 still applies.)

Like, I genuinely don't understand how someone that's been honest in their wolfhunting doesn't have answers for those, particularly this far into Day 2. Even gut feelings come from somewhere, whether they're a gradual buildup or a sudden jolt.* What do you think about...I don't know, anything in this game other than 407?

*Maybe catboi or LLD could square this with their better-than-Kilga (former)/town (latter) reads for me?

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(No indication my question was noticed, but there is at least a comment about continuing to reread stuff I guess?)

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- still think kilga is scummy

(No indication my question was noticed (in before "this is a comment about explaining an Ydrasse townread", response is that this is directed at Syr and is also not exactly what I asked about))

Cool

cool cool cool.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i don't even know what you're asking me

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like i saw the "maybe LLD can square this for me" but if it doens't parse on my first pass right now i'm just ignoring it lol

[Kilgamayan]

The point of the post was mostly pointing out that catboi had previously gotten on my case about not actively engaging with you more - "But you haven't bothered to actually try and investigate her at all, like possibly asking for explanations, just taken the stance you'd be okay with voting her. That doesn't sit right with me" from 425 specifically - and then also pointing out that both you

and

catboi ignored me when I did exactly that, but catboi still suspects me. It was more about asking catboi what the heckerooni he expects from me and less about anything I'm specifically looking for from you (though I do still want an answer from you to my question - I'll attempt to clarify it in the next post).

Between that and me having to ask Ydrasse multiple times about the tracks her suspicions followed (and

still

not receiving an explanatory answer that shows me that actually, this is a townie's honest thought process and not just a wolf making stuff up) it's getting real frustrating trying to do anything. I will cop to missing part of an Ydrasse post but at least I apologized for doing so and then actually addressed it. All I'm really asking is for the same respect, and given no fewer than three people have gone out of their way to not actually answer at least one question I've asked of them, at least one of them most be town, which is supremely irritating because it implies that ignoring questions directed at you is acceptable town behavior.

[Kilgamayan]

i don't even know what you're asking me

Basically, you think Ydrasse is town. I think Ydrasse is a wolf for repeatedly refusing to explain why she has the suspicions/thought processes she has posted. My request to you was to square that behavior with your town read, e.g. give me a reason to think it's an honest town approach and not a wolf making shit up.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i don't even know what you're asking me

Basically, you think Ydrasse is town. I think Ydrasse is a wolf for repeatedly refusing to explain why she has the suspicions/thought processes she has posted. My request to you was to square that behavior with your town read, e.g. give me a reason to think it's an honest town approach and not a wolf making shit up.

okay, sure.

so back when the game started there was this little queue in the notifications bar where Ydra had to then open an unread Private Message which turned out to contain her role PM which happened to be green.

So you see she can't be scum, she's got a green role PM.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

yes I'm fucking with you, i don't know what elements of her play you consider suspicious here. i know i'm making you do more work than i otherwise usually would but treat me like i'm barely holding on this game lol

[Ydrasse]

i don’t think i’ve actually like really refused
you just don’t like the answers that you’re getting (vibes gut etc) i feel like and then you’re calling them wolfy because they’re not like… traditional or what you’re expecting which to me feels like on the one hand understandable if you want something you can get but in the other hand, my pov is that this could be an easy push to make that you’re getting mad about because you can’t make it with people defending me for reasons that are pretty wispy

i don’t have a strong process this game but i’m voting someone i feel could be a wolf atm. i’m not trying to disrespect you as a player but i literally don’t have the answers you want in like an essay format and you’re gonna have to accept that if you’re town. i’m not sure that you are but i recognize if you are this game probably fucking sucks to try and play so like. sorry but idk

[Dunnstral]

I think it would help to go point back to the start of the conversation between Kilga/Ydrasse and point out how you think it progressed.

Something like: In post #, this happened. And then in post #, this other thing happened

[Dunnstral]

I am also losing the thread of what you are talking about as this conversation has been spread out over something like 10 real life days

[Syryana]

it's cute that you think i need that much prompting

Sometimes you just have to be coy

If you N1 shoot your partner in the head every game people start to get sus

[Syryana]

- I think syr is pretty towny actually and I liked what he was doing on page 14, it feels like he has been trying to kick the game into gear even if the engine won't start

- still think kilga is scummy

As for the first part, if you hadn't seen it by now I'd be speed-yeeting you

As for the second, why?

Also you still owe me that explanation for Naidrasse

[Syryana]

i don’t think i’ve actually like really refused
you just don’t like the answers that you’re getting (vibes gut etc) i feel like and then you’re calling them wolfy because they’re not like… traditional or what you’re expecting which to me feels like on the one hand understandable if you want something you can get but in the other hand, my pov is that this could be an easy push to make that you’re getting mad about because you can’t make it with people defending me for reasons that are pretty wispy

i don’t have a strong process this game but i’m voting someone i feel could be a wolf atm. i’m not trying to disrespect you as a player but i literally don’t have the answers you want in like an essay format and you’re gonna have to accept that if you’re town. i’m not sure that you are but i recognize if you are this game probably fucking sucks to try and play so like. sorry but idk

I mean no you haven't said "lolno I'm not telling you" or anything but you also have been pretty vague about pretty much everything. I get it, gut and vibe is definitely a way to play mafia (hell, I played with Bert), but you could definitely throw Kilga (and me, since I tried to talk with you at one point too and got about as far as Kilga did) a bone and elaborate a bit on why you vibe/get gutfeels on person X. I don't want an essay on why you think X is town or scum but at least "I liked post 132" is a point I can interact with.

[Syryana]

i don't even know what you're asking me

Basically, you think Ydrasse is town. I think Ydrasse is a wolf for repeatedly refusing to explain why she has the suspicions/thought processes she has posted. My request to you was to square that behavior with your town read, e.g. give me a reason to think it's an honest town approach and not a wolf making shit up.

okay, sure.

so back when the game started there was this little queue in the notifications bar where Ydra had to then open an unread Private Message which turned out to contain her role PM which happened to be green.

So you see she can't be scum, she's got a green role PM.

Please don't do this.

[Dunnstral]

Ydrasse I feel you haven't gone beyond saying you don't like my vote on the sircakez wagon with your read on me. It seems that is the only thing you are considering, which is curious as you seem to h ave narrowed down your suspects to four people pretty early on into this day but it doesn't feel like you are working to sift through those reads.

Also you did not give me a reply to this

[Ydrasse]

i reply tonight

[Ydrasse]

oh actually i can do that post now
i was also not a fan for a while of that post you made where you expanded on your reads and i couldn’t really pinpoint why beyond a weird feeling so i didn’t bring it up, but eventually i cooled off on it because i’t didn’t seem so bad after a few days
without it it’s kind of just a vote i’m disliking because i’m pretty shrug otherwise atm and there are other things i wanted to go after more

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i don't even know what you're asking me

Basically, you think Ydrasse is town. I think Ydrasse is a wolf for repeatedly refusing to explain why she has the suspicions/thought processes she has posted. My request to you was to square that behavior with your town read, e.g. give me a reason to think it's an honest town approach and not a wolf making shit up.

okay, sure.

so back when the game started there was this little queue in the notifications bar where Ydra had to then open an unread Private Message which turned out to contain her role PM which happened to be green.

So you see she can't be scum, she's got a green role PM.

Please don't do this.

so i can't even joke now lmfao

got it