Micro 1073: Purgatory - Game Over!

[furtiveglance]

Replacing Oclaxian Empire.

Enchant replaces Oclaxian Empire.

[Aureal]

And page 21 is mostly me! Yay! I know what I said already (I think) so I don't have to read it! I'm caught up!

Now I just have to actually process it and decide what to do!

[Enchant]

VOTE: Enchant

[Enchant]

Hey protip i won't annoy you for end game if you just send me to heaven d1!

[Doctor Drew]

Enchant, professional game replacer, has joined the chat. Welcome friend.

Aureal, apologies if I missed it because I skimmed your catch-up much the same way I skimmed over a few pages when I replaced it.

But is that the meat and potatoes of your scum read on me? Objectively speaking, how is that AI?

[Aureal]

What, that you skimmed stuff? No, not at all. You skimming stuff was a reason to maybe

not

sr your catch-up because I thought you'd missed stuff and that could be why your conclusions seemed so off. I was scumreading Arko and you haven't turned that around at all.

[Enchant]

Doctor Drew and Aureal confirmed scum for not voting me instantly.

[Aisa]

Wellll researching Oclaxian Empire’s meta I go*

*tomorrow

[Aisa]

Agree Aureal is fairly good vibes

[Doctor Drew]

Wellll researching Oclaxian Empire’s meta I go*

*tomorrow

Why exactly now?

[Aisa]

Aisa's questions list is interesting. I hope she's going to have some answers too.

Pfft answers are overrated~

I have no idea what Ranger or Vanders are anymore, I’ve spent too much time worrying about them.
Gonna do a reread when I come off V/LA tomorrow.
The lemon and Aureal kinda feel like my current greatest townreads, but surely it’s not sane I keep changing my mind every two days, which is why I want to do the reread, I feel like a leaf blowing in the wind at the moment.

Also I feel like we’ve collectively done a bit less talking than I would have hoped to, maybe this is misguided, just how I feel at the moment.

[Aisa]

Wellll researching Oclaxian Empire’s meta I go*

*tomorrow

Why exactly now?

I mean that Enchant has replaced in and I am not confident I can read him.

[AurorusVox]

Ox replacement means we might not have x5 votes for Asia, enchant can you prioritise giving a read on Asia’s slot?

[Enchant]

Do i care? Vote me.

[Doctor Drew]

Aureal has just helped to solidify the townie vibes I was getting from bloodbot

If people don’t like vanders for heaven then they need to be proposing alternatives that aren’t themselves.

Based on my calculations earlier the only person who could contend with vanders for heaven is Asia. I’m guessing aureal would accord with that which I think gives Asia the necessary support too.

Tbh I’d be happy with either, drew being on vanders as well as Ranger maybe pushes me towards

VOTE: asia

VOTE: Aisa

Ok now I am on Aisa, you gonna switch to Vanders now?

[Ranger]

Agree Aureal is fairly good vibes

Seconded.

This does necessitate a reassessment from he.

VOTE: Aisa
I'm comfortable sending Aisa to heaven.

I need to reassess my reads to find who to send to hell. (My pool had Aureal's slot there, so with Aureal towning it up, my reads need a reset.)

I'm a bit busy today so I'll handle a reassess tomorrow.

[Enchant]

I am not voting Aisa for heaven because i am egoist.

[Vanderscamp]

The only saving grace is that scum can't really out themselves to send a town to hell, because the heaven angels have the chance to rescue it the next day. That shouldn't be too hard if it was done obviously.

Sorry, can you reword this?

In the hell phase tomorrow, even though it's 4-3, scum can't really out themselves to hammer town.

[Vanderscamp]

Ok, list of reasons to TR Bella, I think this might be my last post before I become less available.

Reason 1: general vibes / tone, this will be more convincing to me than to others but that’s ok

UNVOTE: On re-evaluation, I don't think OE is scum. Seems quite townie.

@Bellephant: Can you elaborate on your thought process behind voting Arko?

Something just feels really inorganic? The auto townreads felt strange for doing what seemed very surface level set up stuff, rather than 'yay, town -sided!' or whatever, and then the convo with Ox again didn't vibe right: I ended up tr-ing the ox slot ans not feeling anything more about arko, which tends to be one of my red flags for scum: they end up feeling 'grey'. I need to think about rangers interactions with arko too.

I don’t feel either way about the reasons she gives here but I like that this seems to show depth in her thought process.

I can't work out my read on aisa at all: I thought vibed obv!town, then I was weirdes out about them being so strange about granting a town read, then town again, then I disliked their jumping in fully with ranger, but their response was vibe town again. The thing that's bothering me about their recent posting though is that it feels quite ...self conscious?

I think she’s waffling on me for reasons that it’s natural to waffle on. Again, I think I just liked the fact she bothered to express this read.

I think the setup is townsided because it has a history of 5 town wins and 1 mafia win. I wouldn't be able to tell by looking at the mechanics of it. That being said, I'm not sure what we gain by knowing it's townsided. Does that mean we shouldn't try as hard?

Bloodbot, struggling to read you too: can you throw a question or thought at me?

I don't have much to say, other than to ask for your thoughts behind:

NGL I'd kinda been looking for two scum.

I'm looking forward to Kowahbunga's thoughts on the game.

Yeah, I think it was because of the talk of pairs and theatre? Ox/arko, arko/ranger, etc. I am not good at mech at the best of tinws

I think this may be the towniest post in her ISO. If I were scum trying to fake a townslip, “I’d been looking for two scum because of all the talk of pairs” wouldn’t be anywhere near the top of my list of excuses. So I think this post shows a very towny perspective.

Hey, do you want to throw a few questions my way? You've kinda been filed in my head as 'kinda shares my reads' and I haven't massively examined that.

I like “you’ve been filed in my head as…”, again this raises the probability (to me) that Bella has all these reads and thoughts living in her head and that she’s not just making them up when she has to.

I want feedback on this post, please!

I think this is a great post, I agree with it.

[Vanderscamp]

Asia, the Bella stuff I can at least understand your pov on it. I’m kinda half letting my townread on you guide my other reads cos I’ve found it quite hard to get my head into the game and found myself skimming a bit.

Vanders - what’s your take on Asia/Bella?

I find the drew vote on me a little suspect like dude I was thirsting for arko to be limmed most of yesterday are you trying to get inside my head lol

Self voting is logically the best play here but we’d get nowhere with it so we do need people who aren’t getting to heaven to not self vote. Problem is that puts the power into the scummiest peoples hands.

Could I propose something akin to a draft where we assume everyone has a self vote and therefore we need to secure 4 supporting votes for a person to go to heaven?

So like everyone would say who they would send to heaven other than themselves and we see if anyone hits 4 that way? Eg I would send Vanders or Asia.

And failing that like a tournament style where like we all propose one person to send and anyone who gets 0 votes gets removed and then we go again with anyone with 0-1 votes removed, then 0-2 etc until we have found the right person?

I just feel like the risk otherwise is people voting themselves and not being as willing to change…

Bella i see you asking me to engage you and that’s fine maybe you can start with telling me what you think of my plan above??

I've had Aisa/Bella mostly null, I think the towncase from Aisa is quite strong and probably accurate if Aisa is scum.

[Vanderscamp]

How do you feel about Drew's posting since the flip?

Not great.

If there was scum on the D1 wagon, it was Drew. I'm not getting town vibes rn at all.

This is a pretty interesting statement.

What do you mean if there was scum on the wagon?

There are three scum and four people who were not on the wagon, and one of them flipped town.
I wasn't voting Kowabungah and you think I'm town, right?

I know from your POV both wagons would be town, so why are you phrasing it as if scum would be unlikely to be on a 5p Kowabungah one?

[Vanderscamp]

Yeahhh idk hard read
The stance on Ranger still worries me, like he seems quite convinced she’s scum but if so why isn’t he trying to convince others of it?
Then again there’s townreadable stuff
Can someone towncase?

I think I’m also just a bit worried there’s like no opposition to his wagon right now
Well that’s not true Ranger just tried to oppose

I can’t tell if I’m damaging everything by being loud and planting bad ideas into people’s heads

In what way do you think I haven't been trying to convince people that Ranger is scum?

[Vanderscamp]

Oh, it's coming back to me now!
Another thing I wasn’t sure about yesterday (real-life yesterday) was that if he srs Ranger and thinks Ranger is spewing Arko / Drew town then he should maybe tr Arko / Drew as strongly as he srs Ranger.
But I’m not sure he does.

I think it's more likely they're town if Ranger is scum but I could easily be wrong.
If I were 100% confident that it was spew, then I would townread him as strongly.

[Vanderscamp]

I'm not comfortable sending Aisa to heaven, I feel like their posts have generally been towny, but does anyone have an example of Aisa posting something that is obviously not scum, as opposed to good content that could come from competent scum?
Asia's towncase on Bella being a good example of the kind of stuff I'm looking for.

I have OE/Enchant and Bella (from Aisa's case) as townier than Aisa, and I think Vox and bloodbot have also sounded fairly towny as well.

[Vanderscamp]

Also worth noting is that I've been a heaven contender for a while, but Ranger has never voted me because they've been worried about the people on my wagon.

But Aisa gets voted by Drew and Vox, two people who I'm pretty sure Ranger thinks are very likely scum, and is immediately happy with voting for that wagon?


I think Ranger is probably just openly wolfing and this makes me feel worse about Aisa by association.