Open 875 - The Kindgom of Zeal: The Queens Chosen - GAME OVER

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i full on recognisze that's vague as shit but

[Enchant]

Also when you learn, town have goldfish memory and "kill me but kill X next" never work, because even if you are right, mafia will simple say "lol they wrong". Or worse, if you are actually wrong, you will be supported.


So yeah you can stop trying for Jester wincon, that's my work.

[Ranger]

OH WOW IT'S ALMOST LIKE I DID SAY THAT

Not to my eyes.
"if you're genuinely a N1 Cop then it's worth letting you cook that night action for one night and seeing if Mafia shoot you in your face or not" != "if Ranger claimed N1 Cop I would let them live".
The two are similar. Not identical. You never stated intent to let me live. You stated it'd be worth letting me live. Not that you would. I was quite correct to say you didn't say you

would

let me live, because you didn't; you said it'd be

worth

letting me live.

If the two are identical to you, so be it. I've no reason to doubt you when you say you believe they were. They aren't identical to people who look at exact wording as I do.

[Enchant]

Imo if i was mafia i claim 2 Night.

[Enchant]

Probably.

Why not 3 actually.

[Detective Penguin]

I'm not in a super confident place with reads (it's D1 and I usually just wagon for VCA later), but here's where I'm at:

- Do not want to yeet furtive or Ranger. This doesn't have anything to do with reads and is completely mechanical. I actually liked std's posting around this (even though it's easy for scum to be mech focused) because it makes sense to me so ++town!std.

- I've been vibing with Gimli for most of the day phase, so I'm going to throw him into the town bucket for today.

- I think scum!you would be playing to potential opportunities better, so either I get some associative from today or you are town. Either way, you are a no yeet.

- Enchant is impossible for me to actually read, so enchant is true neutral for me. Ethel is here for me too. I have no idea how to Ethel. Ceph is here for similar reasons to the other two.

- RR and redFF are basically null, but just a bit below. this is entirely gut based on their posting.

- Umlaut is next because I don't think he actually believes what he is saying and comes across as going with whatever flow of the game fits best for Umlaut in the moment.

- Korina/Kawaii is scum, entirely because of korina. They don't believe what they say, in fact contradict themselves across pages, and just followed whatever you wanted to do as a smokescreen for their actions.

[Radical Rat]

You're the fucking worst Ranger.

Literally no one is trying to kill you today anymore. You're living in a fantasy world of persecution of your own creation.

I am. Kind of. I'm at least strongly considering it as an option enough to not unvote.

[Radical Rat]

@Ranger, not quoting because mobile and it's a pain, but

You have either an N1 Cop or a Doctor. Furtive is already claimed N1 Cop.

This means that there is a 100% guarantee of getting a cop result tomorrow if you both live today, and are both telling the truth.

I recognize that you didn't know this when you initially started trying to get yourself killed, but you do now. If you believe furtive, and you already know you're Town, you need to be alive. If you don't believe furtive, you should be voting for him instead of yourself.

I get that you don't want to fight LLD, so don't. Ignore her entirely if you must. But to take your ball and go home because of an early scumread on the literal second page of the game... if you're not scum, it's at the very least incredibly selfish and anti-Town behavior.

[Ranger]

nor do you seem to consider your elimination the best outcome anymore. In fact it looks like you dropped that quite quickly.

Beg your pardon but I believe I'm still voting myself and stated explicitly it's best to kill me today.

As has always been the case, giving reads takes priority.

the arrogant and self righteous parts though, that's just me being livid with having to deal with this passive aggressive self important superiority nonsense every time i come in this thread

Well about that. I've the right to some arrogance since I'm not the one campaigning for the elimination of a slot off of a tell about to be proven wrong by that slot flipping town. I'm the one who knows the tell is wrong and about to flip town. Some smugness is apt. :P

snipe at people with your passive aggressive comments. People who AREN'T EVEN IN THE GAME ANYMORE AND CAN'T DEFEND THEMSELVES YOU COWARD.

I'm reasonably certain I've kept my commentary relevant. Korina's reading of my vote was self-evidently not reflective of what was present at the time. There are multiple possible explanations for this. One of those explanations is Korina being scum.

Korina's alignment doesn't change with them being out of the game. Their take was bad, in a way I'm judging. It'd be easier to judge had Korina not left, as Korina would be able to engage. Their being out of the game doesn't mean I shouldn't bring up a concern about their alignment.

[Detective Penguin]

Beg your pardon but I believe I'm still voting myself and stated explicitly it's best to kill me today.

mechanically you are wrong.

[Ranger]

Literally no one is trying to kill you today anymore.

I count as someone.
I don't want to deal with you pushing me every day phase.

It's my preference to die today because even if you're pushing elsewhere--your read on me remains. You're scumreading me. You want me dead. You can choose to not pursue me today. You still want to pursue me eventually. D2. D3. Until I die.

Easier to remove the distraction D1 than have it in the game until I die later.

[Ranger]

But to take your ball and go home because of an early scumread on the literal second page of the game... if you're not scum, it's at the very least incredibly selfish and anti-Town behavior.

If it were any other player this would be sensible.

It's LLD.

Not wanting to deal with her game-long tunnel on me is +town for everyone.

Beg your pardon but I believe I'm still voting myself and stated explicitly it's best to kill me today.

mechanically you are wrong.

The mechanics argument is nonsense.

Delaying flips by a day phase off of mech is ridiculous.

What would you do if both furtive and myself live?

Flip furtive D2, me D3?

We

lose

eliminations from that.
And meanwhile have LLD calling me scum the entire time.

[PenguinPower]

What would you do if both furtive and myself live?

Almost like there are multiple investigative/protective roles in this game, but I don't care to argue with you.

Your play today is nonsense. I'll leave it at that.

[Detective Penguin]

What would you do if both furtive and myself live?

Almost like there are multiple investigative/protective roles in this game, but I don't care to argue with you.

Your play today is nonsense. I'll leave it at that.

[Ranger]

{Lady Lambdadelta}
{Gimli, Cephrir, Save the Dragons, Detective Penguin}
{Enchant}
{Ethel, redFF}
{Radical Rat, Umlaut}
{furtiveglance}
{KawaiiKame}

Actually think this better.
Almost kept furtive lower, but I'm giving minor benefit of the doubt to furtive's underperformance being due to business. I still find him suspect tho.

[Radical Rat]

What about the fact that LLD actually moved her vote away from you? Clearly she's willing to go elsewhere and not just blindly tunnel you into oblivion, so your argument that the game can't progress while you're alive just doesn't make sense

[Radical Rat]

The only way any of this play makes sense is if you're scum trying to pull reverse psychology shit.

[Radical Rat]

If you're Town, this is literally the worst possible thing you could be doing.

[Cephrir]

Eh.

What difference in flipping night of act? It doesn't really matter.


Like there could be all PRs who work at Night 1, or something like that, or not. Mostly lifegoal of all cops are live to check, claim it and then rest, while doctors lie like hell about when they can heal lol.

I think this might be correct play actually?

[Detective Penguin]

mmm...you understood that? the part I think I did, I disagree with for today.

[Enchant]

I didn't understand that but i disagree

[Detective Penguin]

par for the course

[Enchant]

what

[Detective Penguin]

exactly...tysm

[Enchant]

is it me not making sense or you