Open 875 - The Kindgom of Zeal: The Queens Chosen - GAME OVER

[Save The Dragons]

im still confused why gimli is clear

[Gimli]

what do you mean by 'clear'

[Save The Dragons]

i think the gotcha on me only works if you believe gimli 100%

[Gimli]

ah

I mean I do feel like your lack of perception around the likelihood of kawa being mafia isnt great, so to me there's a perspective problem with it. you should have a working POE implied in the things you're posting and im puzzled by your kawa defence

I think ranger has a point

[Gimli]

std do you have like possible team combinations rn? I think laying it out would be great for me to parse you and for you to parse the game out as well maybe

[Save The Dragons]

i just think it's lld and kawaii only i just am scared i'm wrong

[Save The Dragons]

i just would want to kill lld first in that scenario just in case its lld gimli

[Save The Dragons]

i don't know if i properly apolpogized but i meant no harm when i said loud i definitely don't mean it as a dismissive term for a woman

as a quiet person i happen to like a lot of loud people and just see it as a different personality trait from me but i am sorry if it didn't come across that way

[Lady Lambdadelta]

what a coincidence I'd like to kill you

[Lady Lambdadelta]

but we'll see what ranger says

[Lady Lambdadelta]

cause from your PoV Kawaii should be a counter claim to you lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I also don't think it's a coincidence you hung back and weren't expecting to be pounced on when I did.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have more questions about RR's alignment in my head than I do yours.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

V/LA for the weekend

Acknowledged!

[Radical Rat]

We do need to start making a decision here.

I don't quite feel comfortable with StD yet, in spite of everything. But I will do either of LLD or Kawaii. Leaning toward Kawaii because if StD IS scum, that's the only partner that works for me.

[Save The Dragons]

cause from your PoV Kawaii should be a counter claim to you lol

can you explain this

[Ranger]

@ranger: does this solve make sense to you?

Perhaps.
The full list of possibilities is,
{Gimli, LLD}
{Gimli, RR}
{Gimli, StD}
{Gimli, Kawaii}
{LLD, RR}
{LLD, StD}
{LLD, Kawaii}
{RR, StD}
{RR, Kawaii}
{StD, Kawaii}
(If I didn't miss any.)

{Gimli, LLD} is unlikely. (Interactions across whole game.)
{Gimli, RR} is unlikely. (This is because Gimli advocated for RR > Umlaut yesterday. It's

possible

as a bus; it's not likely.)
{Gimli, Kawaii} is unlikely. (Play today.)

{LLD, RR} is unlikely. (Their 1v1.)
{LLD, StD} is unlikely. (Their interactions.)

There may be some more unlikely than others.

And some of the remaining may also be unlikely.

I still need to consider,
{Gimli, StD}
{LLD, Kawaii}
{RR, StD}
{RR, Kawaii}
{StD, Kawaii}

(I'm out of focus due to holidays.)

It's most likely RR's scum with one of StD/Kawaii.
I've the time to investigate despite my failure today.

[Ranger]

Less time than I thought; tomorrow will be when I make the decision.

[Gimli]

well we're waiting.gif

[Save The Dragons]

id probably do kawaii now

[Ranger]

townies in (

ethel

ceph

umlaut

lld

ranger peng sail

). more certain on peng not too sure about the others. I like the vibe of ceph's this game but I heavily dislike the way he pushed ranger. same goes for umlaut, though umlaut is giving me more townie looking solvey posts that I can townread them for.

how about this POE for d1: (korina, RR,

sail

, std,

furtive, redff

)

Full disclosure: I'm not sure how to truly engage with my thoughts here as I'm reading.

Multiple times, I'm seeing things reaffirming my prior stances:
Gimli looks town on his own merits.
Does LLD fake the scumtell on me knowing a mislim, or did she get it wrong?
LLD-Cephrir have interactions which don't look partnered, yet both are skilled enough to fake it.

Korina (KawaiiKame slot) vaguely appears +town for their Ceph takes, yet it's not out of the realm of being a scumbuddy.

This is the first post I feel worth commenting on.

While there's flipped scum in the town pool, unless the scumteam is

precisely

{LLD, Gimli}, then it's guaranteed Gimli had only 1 scum in the town, and by proxy, at least 1 scum in the D1 PoE.

Even this is less groundbreaking than I was hoping for, as there'd only be one scum to find outside Cephrir if Gimli's scum. (The list would essentially be a rule of 3.)

At the time I quoted this, I felt it was +town. Now, I'm less convinced it's +town, although regardless I don't think it's +scum (it might just be null).

[LavosCore]

Easter proddings!

Sorry for my own absences over Easter, i was hoping the 2 days was enough of an extension to cover me and it was not.

Kawaii will be prodded in about (expired on 2023-04-11 06:55:16) when Ill be awake and around.

[Ranger]

Not sure yet

Coward. :3

If you think my push is NAI, you should be flipping it to read me. Not generating paranoia and then going to find a counter wagon.

It's not townie to say "lld town reads premature, also I won't flip The read she is confident in"

As an aside, I don't think the friendship trio is the scumteam. This loosely makes me believe LLD's not scum with STD, and LLD comes across the better in the exchange.

We know Save the Dragons never voted me D1 past this point.

In fact, he voted both wagons opposite mine.

That decision feels strategic.

Deliberately avoiding a Ranger flip is something I believe was +scum, and Save the Dragons was a major component in it.

LLD was quite correct to say it wasn't town of StD.

[Ranger]

People are putting up a lot of resistance to Ranger scum. I would expect to see more purchase onto the wagon were ranger town.

I actually believe this is true. My wagon received strong resistance. Save the Dragons opposed the wagon. Gimli opposed the wagon.
There were also town opposed (Detective Penguin).

However, some resistance as +scum is guaranteed;
Cephrir was off the wagon and voted for both counterwagons.

I believe more than one scum player resisted the wagon.

The only scumteam where both members were proponents of voting me out D1 is {KawaiiKame, Radical Rat}.
Korina never unvoted me, and Radical Rat only unvoted me to hammer redFF.

When I wanted myself dead D1, when LLD was pushing for me to die D1, when I repeatedly got to L-2 and even L-1: if scum weren't resisting my wagon, why wasn't I eliminated?

There's value to be had in not actively supporting my death and letting it be mostly town backing the wagon.

That alone doesn't justify my survival. I shouldn't have lived D1. Why did I, when multiple town pushed for it? The pushback against the wagon being all town seems unlikely.

[Ranger]

From page 12, I believe the interactions are +town for LLD regardless.

They're

slightly

+scum for STD I think, and reaffirms my stance it's not STD+LLD.