Open 875 - The Kindgom of Zeal: The Queens Chosen - GAME OVER

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I believe one person expressed mild interest in having my ability around. This isn't really a good representation of current events

Maybe there are also some people who want you around regardless of your ability :-3

this isn't survivor, i beg you to try and decide who is more likely to be evil between ceph and furtive and not simply vote on personal preference.

[Cephrir]

yeh. mafia is a game where you have to vote out your friends sometimes and that's okay

[Cephrir]

like, by the same token that you would try to win if we played chess together

not saying i don't want your support ofc, i just want it to be for the right reason

[Gimli]

i know what you should do with it

I think the mechanical play is to flip you though

I dont think 'cephrir is acting townie' would be a good justification

but anyway I'll think it over I guess

[Gimli]

not even that townie lmao

so cephrir, are you townreading your friend? you're sure posting like you are

[Cephrir]

if reads don't trump mechs in at least some situations, why play mafia at all

yeah id say im townreading ethel. and i also am like mindful of ensuring she understands how the game works & has a good time

[Radical Rat]

i know what you should do with it

I think the mechanical play is to flip you though

I dont think 'cephrir is acting townie' would be a good justification

but anyway I'll think it over I guess

Why is flipping Cephrir the "mechanical play?"

[Gimli]

I'm also tentatively townreading ethel just on being reasonable, but I guess if she played survivor on forums and things like that then maybe she might know instinctively how to position herself in these games. I wish she'd open up more though, her posts are very safe

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i know what you should do with it

I think the mechanical play is to flip you though

I dont think 'cephrir is acting townie' would be a good justification

but anyway I'll think it over I guess

I spent literally 4 hours showing how mechanically it makes 0 difference. We have ups and downs on both sides but in truth if we're wrong, it's the same as if we are wrong in EITHER DIRECTION. We lose the exact same thing.

So it only matters if we're RIGHT. And if we're right, the upside on both is PRECISELY the same, maybe leaning more to Ceph due to having a weak role.

But there is no functional mechanical difference as a result, so as I've said before: Vote who you think is more scummy. That's it, that's the whole fuckin' tweet.

No more arguing that following the cop is the best play 100% of the time (it's not, because this cop doesn't have a second investigation).

No more trying to default to the same basic play.

It's put up or shut up on alignment basis only.

[Gimli]

i know what you should do with it

I think the mechanical play is to flip you though

I dont think 'cephrir is acting townie' would be a good justification

but anyway I'll think it over I guess

Why is flipping Cephrir the "mechanical play?"

we trust the first accuser

its just like enchant said

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i know what you should do with it

I think the mechanical play is to flip you though

I dont think 'cephrir is acting townie' would be a good justification

but anyway I'll think it over I guess

Why is flipping Cephrir the "mechanical play?"

we trust the first accuser

its just like enchant said

So what you're saying is you are trusting a common truism while misappropriating social justice language instead of considering the actual outcomes and values that change that truism to be different in this game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

sorry about the social justice language part but if I have to hear one of you call a cop check "the accuser" like it's a sexual assault claim #MeToo one more time I'm going to scream.

[Radical Rat]

Trusting the accuser isn't mechanical. Nor is it powerful enough to override individual reads

[Gimli]

where am I misappropriating social justice language?

I'm not scumreading either furtive nor cephrir to be perfectly honest. so idk where to go with this.

[Radical Rat]

sorry about the social justice language part but if I have to hear one of you call a cop check "the accuser" like it's a sexual assault claim #MeToo one more time I'm going to scream.

I mean it is literally someone accusing another person. That's just... what the word means?

I understand your frustration with how assault and such are frequently trivialized, but I don't think this is a good example of that?

[Gimli]

sorry about the social justice language part but if I have to hear one of you call a cop check "the accuser" like it's a sexual assault claim #MeToo one more time I'm going to scream.

it didn't cross my mind that you could interpret me that way, I'll stop using that word altogether

[Gimli]

look LLD I don't want to antagonize with you

I didn't want to flip ranger though, you spent the first 10 whateves pages of the game saying we are flipping ranger cause 'my secret meta'. i can't even fucking argue with it, I'm a player I'm here too. so, I didn't like that. I wouldn't like anybody doing that, it's a team game. if you want things your way you have to be convincing not demanding, imo.

[Save The Dragons]

i kinda want to vote cephrir

[Lady Lambdadelta]

sorry about the social justice language part but if I have to hear one of you call a cop check "the accuser" like it's a sexual assault claim #MeToo one more time I'm going to scream.

I mean it is literally someone accusing another person. That's just... what the word means?

I understand your frustration with how assault and such are frequently trivialized, but I don't think this is a good example of that?

It's also literally a social justice verbage that has been colloqiualized. "Trust the Accuser".

It's bothering me, thats all.

[Gimli]

i kinda want to vote cephrir

yea ok

[Lady Lambdadelta]

look LLD I don't want to antagonize with you

I didn't want to flip ranger though, you spent the first 10 whateves pages of the game saying we are flipping ranger cause 'my secret meta'. i can't even fucking argue with it, I'm a player I'm here too. so, I didn't like that. I wouldn't like anybody doing that, it's a team game. if you want things your way you have to be convincing not demanding, imo.

Okay but I didn't need your vote to flip Ranger. I don't have to work with you if I don't need you.

Conversely I don't actually care what you vote here, but I will not allow bad mechanical arguments to be a hiding place for scum. Scum have to pick on alignment this vote too.

Ceph or Furtive. Who is scummier?

[Gimli]

did we flip ranger though?

[furtiveglance]

Ceph is scummier. I saw it with my own eyes

[Gimli]

[Gimli]

I think we flip cephrir