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Spoiler:

ventsislav zankov

vote count 1.1 !

Hu Tao (2):

ballpointpen, Bub Bidderskins

Glitch (1):

Skygazer

Andante (1):

Cephrir

Skygazer (1):

Glitch

ballpointpen (1):

KittyTacky

Dionysus (1):

KawaiiKame

Greeting (1):

NJAC

KawaiiKame (1):

curiouskarmadog

curiouskarmadog (1):

Kowahbunga

not voting (7):

MalcolmTucker, Andante, Greeting, Brickwalll, Dionysus, Hu Tao, Save The Dragons

with 17 alive, it takes 9 to put someone in the machine. day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-04-02 13:48:07)

moderateur notes

• yes

[Kowahbunga]

I appreciate y'all trying so hard out the gate but I think most of what's been argued so far isn't really alignment indicative

Also btw FoSing is out of style these days

I feel like everything is alignment indicative. Every post is made with intentions. Its not up to the poster to express this, but up to the player-base to interpret.

Both town and mafia can make contentless posts for no reason or for whatever reason really. It is a common mistake for town to assume that every post has intention.

VOTE: Greeting

[ballpointpen]

that was a really interesting reaction to greeting's post

[Cephrir]

that was a really interesting reaction to greeting's post

It's consistent for this person:

i think you're reading too much into things

This is a scum mindset.

VOTE: Cephir

(Snip)

[Glitch]

Mod

: Vote count is incorrect, this is my first post and as such I have not voted yet. Thanks for modding a large. That’s a big task to take on but I love a good large so thanks for the work you’re putting in.

Hello all. Been two years since I played but I’m excited to be back. I saw a few others are back from hiatus as well. I imagine some of us are back cause of the newsletter. I know I am. Cool deal.

Lots of talk about RVS and how useful/useless it is so far. Let’s railroad someone and see what happens from there. Maybe some actual content will start.

VOTE: Hu Tao

[ballpointpen]

Lots of talk about RVS and how useful/useless it is so far. Let’s railroad someone and see what happens from there. Maybe some actual content will start.

VOTE: Hu Tao

you don't think there's anything of note in the last 3 pages?

[ballpointpen]

that was a really interesting reaction to greeting's post

It's consistent for this person:

i think you're reading too much into things

This is a scum mindset.

VOTE: Cephir

(Snip)

its not the snapvoting that's necessarily interesting, but the lack of an explanation does place a lot more emphasis on their post

[Hu Tao]

It begins

Hello everyone

So right off the bat I'm somewhat suspicious of both Kawaii and Hu Tao here. This is admitedly somewhat weak because the game just started, but both of these posts are really fluffy, non-commital and not progressing the game. Now, is this progressing the game more than a random vote? I dunno, but the reason why "random" votes are a thing is to create an initial paper trail of some sort...they aren't really random, so it immediately puts the scum in a bit of a pick of whether or not to bus. So far, these posts are just the most flimsy, "hey I'm here but not actually advancing the game" kind of posts.

I'm, going to go ahead and VOTE: Hu Tao


Mainly because it was another post right after a fluff post by Kawaii. Kind of reads as scum thinking "okay, need to say something now to not look suspicious" while being non-comittal.

Also going to put a

finger of suspicion on Kawaii

for similar sorts of reasons, but I think it's very unlikely that both Kawaii and Hu are scum. No way a scum comes in right after their buddy to make an almost identical post.

Saying hello to everyone is fluff post? Would you like me to have a full reads list on everyone in the game instead of saying hello a few posts in?

[Cephrir]

if we're going to do a lolturbowagon it seems kind of mean, though i'll admit maybe effective to target the person who's playing presumably their first game

[Hu Tao]

It begins

Hello everyone

So right off the bat I'm somewhat suspicious of both Kawaii and Hu Tao here. This is admitedly somewhat weak because the game just started, but both of these posts are really fluffy, non-commital and not progressing the game. Now, is this progressing the game more than a random vote? I dunno, but the reason why "random" votes are a thing is to create an initial paper trail of some sort...they aren't really random, so it immediately puts the scum in a bit of a pick of whether or not to bus. So far, these posts are just the most flimsy, "hey I'm here but not actually advancing the game" kind of posts.

I'm, going to go ahead and VOTE: Hu Tao


Mainly because it was another post right after a fluff post by Kawaii. Kind of reads as scum thinking "okay, need to say something now to not look suspicious" while being non-comittal.

Also going to put a

finger of suspicion on Kawaii

for similar sorts of reasons, but I think it's very unlikely that both Kawaii and Hu are scum. No way a scum comes in right after their buddy to make an almost identical post.

Im sold.

However, Im going to

vote Kawaii

I hate finger of suspicions...its like getting credit for a vote without having to do anything. If Kawaii flips scum, this looks sketchy.

consider this my

finger of suspicion (any hypocrisy) on Bub

Why vote him over me if you're "sold"?

[Hu Tao]

let me play the devil's advocate to your accusation: what you pointed out isn't unique to those two users, since savethedragons (i'll abbreivate to STD if that's ok) also just said "hi" without casting a vote, so wouldn't the same kind of logic apply to them?

and while people do vote for reasons during rvs its redundant because these are completely unaligned reasons that would be the same regardless of rand, so the votes are equally as non-commital and passive as the entrances, and the argument falls apart pretty quickly because of that

Sure, it's just the the timing that seemed a little...eh to me. Sort of "hey, let's show my face so everyone knows I'm cool but not actually try to move towards finding scum>" I'll admit it's weak and I'm not married to this tell, but my general read of scum behavior is that they're like politicans who'll pop in to show themselves but don't actually want to be attached to a wagon.

I'm much more confident in my read that it's very unlikely both Hsu and Kawaii are both scum just because of their interaction. It just seems like scum wouldn't banter with each other about such fluff just right out of the gate.

It was 3 hours after his post, when I saw the game opened. I understand the deduction in terms of our interaction but not the fact that our original posts came right after the other

[Hu Tao]

Im sold.

However, Im going to

vote Kawaii

I hate finger of suspicions...its like getting credit for a vote without having to do anything. If Kawaii flips scum, this looks sketchy.

consider this my finger of suspicion (any hypocrisy) on Bub

Fair enough, but just out of curiosity, why are you more suspicious of Kawaii than Hsu?

Good follow up, was wondering the same thing.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: curious

vote Kawaii

I hate finger of suspicions...its like getting credit for a vote without having to do anything. If Kawaii flips scum, this looks sketchy.

This post makes me feel like they're organizing future mislims more than they're scumhunting. The whole "If Kawaii flips scum" part doesn't feel like it comes from a town POV.

I'm not sure about setting up mis eliminations. But, I do think it's weird he took the poster at face value and did not really follow up with it in his voting

[Hu Tao]

I appreciate y'all trying so hard out the gate but I think most of what's been argued so far isn't really alignment indicative

Also btw FoSing is out of style these days

I actually do think there was something here that was strange, and the fact you glossed over it is strange.

[Hu Tao]

Lots of talk about RVS and how useful/useless it is so far. Let’s railroad someone and see what happens from there. Maybe some actual content will start.

VOTE: Hu Tao

you don't think there's anything of note in the last 3 pages?

Good post in return to this

[Cephrir]

I appreciate y'all trying so hard out the gate but I think most of what's been argued so far isn't really alignment indicative

Also btw FoSing is out of style these days

I actually do think there was something here that was strange, and the fact you glossed over it is strange.

you mean 33? i agree that is slightly weird, i didnt notice it at the time

[Hu Tao]

if we're going to do a lolturbowagon it seems kind of mean, though i'll admit maybe effective to target the person who's playing presumably their first game

I don't need the soft defending, I can do so myself if I need to defend myself. This post seems like being on the fence. While not wanting to actually vote, saying voting it is fine

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: curious

I think I explained this sufficiently, weird post in general. I have some suspicion on Cephir and Glitch so slight scumish. I think Bub and ballpointpen had similar reactions to posts that I did so I think those I like for townish at the moment.

[Cephrir]

if we're going to do a lolturbowagon it seems kind of mean, though i'll admit maybe effective to target the person who's playing presumably their first game

I don't need the soft defending, I can do so myself if I need to defend myself. This post seems like being on the fence. While not wanting to actually vote, saying voting it is fine

i don't think you're going to like my playstyle then

[Hu Tao]

I can separate playstyle from scummy behavior. If it's different I'll know.

[Cephrir]

i can only wish i were such a genius

[Bub Bidderskins]

Cephrir reads as pretty town to me. His posts basically amount to "chill out" which doesn't seem like something scum would say.

In my mind, scum would want to sort of half-assedly back a wagon without really putting themselves out there. Kind of blatantly saying "chill out" like Cephrir did just doesn't read to me as the sort of thing that would occur to scum to do.

Also, schadd, where's my pic of Lindor's sexy hair? Could you at least give me some Ohtani or Dansby Swanson hair?

[Bub Bidderskins]

I appreciate y'all trying so hard out the gate but I think most of what's been argued so far isn't really alignment indicative

Also btw FoSing is out of style these days

I feel like everything is alignment indicative. Every post is made with intentions. Its not up to the poster to express this, but up to the player-base to interpret.

Both town and mafia can make contentless posts for no reason or for whatever reason really. It is a common mistake for town to assume that every post has intention.

VOTE: Greeting

Mind elaborating?

[Kowahbunga]

I appreciate y'all trying so hard out the gate but I think most of what's been argued so far isn't really alignment indicative

Also btw FoSing is out of style these days

I feel like everything is alignment indicative. Every post is made with intentions. Its not up to the poster to express this, but up to the player-base to interpret.

Both town and mafia can make contentless posts for no reason or for whatever reason really. It is a common mistake for town to assume that every post has intention.

VOTE: Greeting

Mind elaborating?

"It is a common mistake for town to assume that every post has intention."

I believe this sentence is a scumslip.

[ballpointpen]

"It is a common mistake for town to assume that every post has intention."

I believe this sentence is a scumslip.

that was my first thought but i gave greeting the benefit of the doubt, given that they respond to my inquiry. i still believe its possible that its a typo or something because i've seen that happen before but we'll know when we see their reaction