Demon Slayer - Kimetsu no Yaiba (Game over)

[Frozen Angel]

[Alisae]

You got FL on your side and that’s all you needed to survive

true ya giving him a d1 pass was an excellent strategy I would do it again as a townie

[Alisae]

FL the next time the Twins (MathBlade + Titus) come out of their way to visit me to play board games do you wanna know about it? Would love to meet up with ya again

[Ranger]

the amount of openwolfing and shit posting we did was crazy

Yeah it's almost like flooding the thread is +scum regardless of alignment so if all three scum are doing it and nobody decides to resolve the noise with flips...

[Ranger]

We would achieve more if someone bothered to vote GrandPaMa instead of argueing with pinkball.

We also would've achieved more if a flavor/mech expert had time to lay out her knowledge rather than being hammered ten minutes before she was coming online to post (at the time she specified she would be coming online to post).

I could've told you why the Muzan claim was so sus, and why the poisoner had to be a scum human and thus proven demons couldn't be the scum poisoner. I would've pointed out Firebringer's lack of claim as well, which would put him in the pool to be precisely that.

Would that alone have made the difference? Probably not. I still likely die; the next day, the thread still likely gets flooded.

Our odds would certainly have been better, even if the result ended the same.

[GuyInFreezer]

Well at least I don’t have to read 50 pages so I’m considering that as a win

[Alisae]

Well at least I don’t have to read 50 pages so I’m considering that as a win

gg ez

[Ranger]

Regardless I still feel salty for my good faith claim getting so viciously attacked by town

You're not alone. :P

I had you as town.

I admit, I also had Klickwork there as well, since while I knew Klickwork could bus I didn't see the motive behind why they would, knowing it'd cause one scum to die and then lose credibility after town flipped.

Still, it was possible both by play and mechanics to deduce who the scum were.

I'm not disappointed in the town for being unable to follow through to the needed end, because the scum played to their wincon. Flooding the thread and controlling the narrative as they did was exactly what they needed to win; they pulled it off.

I'm more disappointed at the +scum play coming from scum being rewarded. (This level of thread flooding is unacceptable, and the results of this game demonstrate why.) It was

correct

of them, to prevent the play/mech solving from clicking. It was

smart

. It

worked

. I'm still not happy it's a viable strat.

[Ranger]

Jesus how did we win this game with all the night action fuckery going to the scum team.

By flooding the thread, wearing down the willpower of townies trying to solve, breaking their resolve by entering into long drawn-out arguments deflecting from damning evidence, and controlling the narrative by stating the day phase had gone on too long when it had been less than 48 hours (stating things had stalled, when the scum were the cause of the stall in the first place). And by repeatedly spamming those points from all three players. Exhausting the town, draining the town, removing their capability to focus and critically think/analyze, by utilizing the realized threat of being unable to keep up if someone tried to go back and focus on a prior area.

Which is smart and deserves credit for working.
I'm just disappointed it does.

[Ranger]

Kagaya Ubuyashiki

FA IS THIS NOT THE FLAVOR CLAIM U WERE GIVING TO ME
woah im glad i never actually claimed a flavor

Yes, the massclaim wasn't handled well.

I wasn't involved in it to point out the lack of claimed discards and lack of claimed flavor.

I do credit scum thread flooding over town incompetence there. The thread was moving so fast, there wasn't time for a non-specialist around to posit the questions. The little effort there never manifested further.

So, well-played on spamming the game out of a thorough massclaim.

[Ranger]

This game definitely showed how powerful the scum flooding the thread can be but as someone who can't keep up that pace of posting even when motivated and enthusiastic (due to a mix of reasons) this game is making me wonder how to handle similar games in future.

Some players will flood the thread regardless of their alignment.

Politely ask them to keep it under control.

Demonstrate the harm coming from them specifically.

Reach out to them and tell them to tone it down, to scale back. Ask them to step away, request they collect themselves.

Point to their overwhelming presence, explain to them why it's problematic and +scum, and reason with them.

If they ignore your requests, they're being +scum. Analyze if their continued +scum thread flooding is due to being town baited in, or scum deliberately choosing to be loud.

Vote them out if you so much as suspect the latter.

A player incapable of reeling in their problematic posts deserves to be removed from the game. Give town players who indulge a chance to reflect on the harm their spamming brought; give scum an incentive to

not

engage in the +scum strategy in the future which makes the game miserable for everyone who can't match their pace.

[Ranger]

A player incapable of reeling in their problematic posts deserves to be removed from the game. Give town players who indulge a chance to reflect on the harm their spamming brought; give scum an incentive to

not

engage in the +scum strategy in the future which makes the game miserable for everyone who can't match their pace.

I should note; total improvement is nigh-impossible to achieve.

A player with an average postcount of 20 posts / 24 hours isn't going to cut down to 1 post every 36 or so. Expecting them to is unrealistic.

A player with an average postcount of 20 posts / 24 hours is fully capable of cutting the total down to a more reasonable number, around 6-8. Maybe they relapse to around 12; if they are actively cognizant of the issues behind their spamming, they will eventually bring the total down to a more acceptable amount.

When I say "incapable of reeling in their problematically high posting rate", I mean when they show no effort at all to improve, reject efforts to improve, immediately shoot up to the same high total after only a brief pause, etc. It's obviously a judgement call on whether you believe they are showing good faith. If they are, then the thread will eventually become healthier. If they aren't, then the only way to improve thread health is to remove those players.

[Ranger]

you had good reads but you tried to bargain with the devil and the devil wore you down

I'll leave a final note on the topic;
This game became miserable for basically every non-scum player because of the scum's chosen tactic of flooding the thread.

The scum's tactic worked.

I certainly hope how miserable the town was, and the scum's victory, serves as an incentive to ensure this never happens again.

Be cognizant of your impact on the game as town. Listen to others when they tell you. Speak up to tell others about any harm they are causing. Be productive, and constructive, with targeted comments avoiding inherent accusations into the character/competency of the player performing the harmful behavior. Engage in the behavior you wish to see from others; lead by example.

Town players who can find good reads from topping the activity charts won't help the town if the rest of the town can't keep up. Be strategic, be targeted, be focused.

Small tangents can be massively productive. Keep those tangents going indefinitely, and any signals found are lost in the overwhelming amount of noise.

Spamposting, in a day and age where most of the players are adults with jobs who are on mafiascum specifically because we don't have shorter 48-hour deadlines like other major mafia forums do, is +scum more often than not, and makes the games less fun and more stressful for all parties involved more often than not.

It is perfectly acceptable to say a topic needs to be more explored, and the day is not yet ready to end. (This game serves as a nice demonstration of that.) The engagement on the topic needs to not drown out all other signals, both present and past. Any new talks should build upon the previous, rather than replacing and overriding them.

The scum played well;
Despite pieces of playing well present, the town made many mistakes.

The thread activity isn't exclusively to blame for this. I still think it a major factor, so would

strongly

recommend the lesson of activity awareness be transferred to future games. Other lessons are important to remember as well; I personally feel the need to tone back on the level of posting is the most important.

[GuyInFreezer]

Or at the very least, don’t vote in MeLo with someone in vla lol

Idk if I would’ve mattered much but I would’ve fought against hebi lim at the very least

[Frozen Angel]

on a completely serious and irrelevant note I 100% recommend watching this specific anime to everyone. The characters, story, animation, dialogues, everything in this anime is on another level

If you wanna watch it, go to season 1, then mugen train arc, season 2 (entertainment arc), and then season 3 (swordsmith village arc)

Its season 3 just started this week and is already hype

[Black]

I agree with Ranger

Sorry for replacing out, but this game started on the weekend and in

two

days there was already 40 pages and a D1 elimination. That's just not the type of game I want to play

Very well played scum. And thank you for modding FA. Hopefully next time the game starts under different circumstances and I can play

[Mislim Bait]

I agree with Ranger

Sorry for replacing out, but this game started on the weekend and in

two

days there was already 40 pages and a D1 elimination. That's just not the type of game I want to play

Very well played scum. And thank you for modding FA. Hopefully next time the game starts under different circumstances and I can play

That doesn't sound like a valid reason for subbing out
though I'm not so sure about mafiascum's rules

[Mislim Bait]

Demon slayer is lit but
I'm more of kuma kuma bear kind of dog

[Black]

I agree with Ranger

Sorry for replacing out, but this game started on the weekend and in

two

days there was already 40 pages and a D1 elimination. That's just not the type of game I want to play

Very well played scum. And thank you for modding FA. Hopefully next time the game starts under different circumstances and I can play

That doesn't sound like a valid reason for subbing out
though I'm not so sure about mafiascum's rules

I can sub out for whatever fucking reason I want. I didn't have time for this game

[Frozen Angel]

subbing out because you didnt like having your role/alignment is not fine

subbing out for being overwhelmed/not having time is more than fine

[Frozen Angel]

Thanks for playing this game though everyone

Also special thanks to Empathice who was replaced in a night phase just to be killed on the same night with a weird combo of actions lol

[Mislim Bait]

I guess that is why theres alot of sub out in this site.

[Mislim Bait]

I've played like 100 games and I only subbed out once.

[Enchant]

on a completely serious and irrelevant note I 100% recommend watching this specific anime to everyone. The characters, story, animation, dialogues, everything in this anime is on another level

If you wanna watch it, go to season 1, then mugen train arc, season 2 (entertainment arc), and then season 3 (swordsmith village arc)

Its season 3 just started this week and is already hype

OH NO I KNEW THIS IS GAME IS TO TRICK PLAYERS TO WATCH ANIME

I AM NOT FALLING

I AM NOT

[Mislim Bait]

Enchant you literally have loli avatar wtf
you can't get more weeb than that