Mini Normal 2296: Pictures of my cat, sometimes | GAME OVER

[Thestatusquo]

The Setup:

Scum PT
Mason PT
Spec and Dead Thread

Night actions:

[Thestatusquo]

I think tchill could have maybe wormed his way out if there were any real explanation for a second kill in a mini normal but there really just isn't.

[bristep123]

Red did the damage, 3 successful picks in a row even if n3 never got revealed. Confirming DV as town put it down to chill and myself, thank you DV and T3 for picking right.

Investigating Drew on n2 was the clutch play. Without that I’m pretty sure I was on the block for d3 and then it’s game over pretty much.

[bristep123]

Thank you Shea for running the game, very fun

[Thestatusquo]

the mistake was the n2 kill. They knew red wasn't vanilla but shot mit instead.

If scum kills red they have a really good shot of winning this game.

[Thestatusquo]

Thank you Shea for running the game, very fun

And thank you so much for stopping by and playing! It's been so nice to see some old faces and I hope you end up sticking around.

[Enchant]

Replaced in jester win.

[DeasVail]

Yeah I think if red died n2 it would have been a real struggle for town

[DeasVail]

My reads were not good

[bristep123]

Part of that was down to my early play though DV, I was genuinely struggling with having not played in such a long time and that pinged a lot of people, including making me a target for scum. I don’t blame anyone for reading me wrong. You made the right call when it counted

[Mitillos]

My reads were terrible. And would probably have continued to be, had I survived to D3. Mafia should have just gone for the players they knew to be PRs, then they'd have skated into victory.

Great job by redFF and the townies left at the end. Thanks for saving it.

[Tchill13]

the mistake was the n2 kill. They knew red wasn't vanilla but shot mit instead.

If scum kills red they have a really good shot of winning this game.

The red herring really helped out town here. Assuming red was a bodyguard was incorrect.

[Tchill13]

It's the fact t3 joke voted then vla'd.

Doesn't matter.

Town

won since the

DEB tchill

duo has been

established.

I had a pretty gnarly Mason fake claim set up due to Dr bakes early LOL posting but red just so happened to investigate the Mason lol.

[Tchill13]

I just failed to realize that the vig being left alive one night too long meant an auto town win. GGs to everyone!

[bristep123]

You were a strong player especially late game it’s just the mechanics that worked against you - I was certain you were bulletproof until you rounded on t3.

[redFF]

Gg all fun game

[redFF]

VOTE: tchill

So tchill, college and who else?

This is easy

Haha

[T3]

gg, thanks for modding!

this seemed like a very townsided setup but i'm not sure

[Tchill13]

A couple thoughts: the vig only had 40 posts in the entire game.

Very town sided set up as the scum only had 1 functional PR. The "strong man" was actually their to purposefully throw off scum.

I think Mala played the best game by far. No other town tried to game solve at all. Scum obviously could have done their night kills better.

Very low activity game overall. Very enjoyable as a first game back though! Thanks TSQ.

[Thestatusquo]

I agree that I don't love the setup but I disagree that it is super town sided.

I think mostly I would describe it as more swingy than unbalanced, it depends a lot on what the vig and the role cop do and if scum can find and kill the rc.

I agree that I don't think that the strongman was necessary.

I personally am not a fan of ascetics as cover for scum because I think the way town typically deals with those from a meta point of view is to just lim unclaimed ascetic roles. This is reasonable but then it puts scum into a shitty situation where they have to claim the role d1 so its not actually super useful.

I would prefer another type of counter to the role cop if it were my setup. Something like a scum doctor I think would have been very interesting in this setup because it confounds the role cop and protects scum against the vig.

Not sure about how that balances without crunching some numbers.

[Tchill13]

I think that's a conversation worth having. If the setup is deemed as "swingy" it is likely to come off as being one sided.

[Thestatusquo]

I mean I didn't make the setup, it was made 2 years ago by RadiantCowbells.

I took a ready made setup to mod a game as quickly as possible because we had a bunch of returning players joining the queue and no mini normal lined up for them and I didn't want y'all to have to sit around and wait.

[Tchill13]

TSQ I'm thankful you modded the game this isn't anything directed at you lol.

I just remember having a conversation with some of the mods right before I left this site. And it was summed up from my POV as assuming towns Vigs always miss. There PRS perform horribly. Etc... And scum play optimally.

A vig is a stronger role than most ppl think and this is a good example.

T3 posted 40 times the entire active game. He never shot scum. Yet he removed scums options when it came to carrying players to the last day phase that would guarantee scum a win. T3 never game solved.

But you could say he easily did the most for town just by hard claiming vig. Now most games scum would just kill the vig early. Ofc you had a scum herring that meant there could be a BG.

[Tchill13]

And scum could have easily killed still with the one shot strongman.

I tend to lead towards creating chaos. And that isn't always the smartest thing.

[Thestatusquo]

I guess my perspective is that scum had the tools to win this game and chose not to, and that yes the vig is a powerful role even when they always shoot town, but its not like town had a ton of other power.

I think not shooting redff is a big blunder that lost you the game on the spot.