Open 876 - Fire and Ice - Postgame

[Oclaxian Empire]

No matter what someone’s playing kingmaker and i’d rather it be us than scum.

[Enchant]

VOTE: No lim

Hey guys look pacifist ending

[yessiree]

interesting how u started to push me all of a sudden after I put bulge to E-2 if you were so sure I had a higher chance of being scum than bulge

You made me realize I wasn't voting anywhere. So thanks, but unfortunately you're where the vote landed

I quite frankly find this hard to believe, it's not like much has happened during day 3 for you to not realize where your vote was. Notably, scum would want to be conservative and strategic with their vote today so I think that is the more likely scenario here

And if I was scum trying to save Bulge, why wouldn't I just jump on the mobile Aureal wagon instead of start a new one with you?

1. Bulge wasn't in danger of being elimed
2. Joining Aureal wagon means joining enchant + me, who u scumread, so u joining the wagon at E-1 would seem pretty opportunistic

[yessiree]

And if I was scum trying to save Bulge, why wouldn't I just jump on the mobile Aureal wagon instead of start a new one with you?

also bulge and u aren’t aligned is what this means, but likely are opposing factions.

I was gonna say this is a strange take but then the more I read about it, the more it made sense from ur pov

So this means bulge is more likely scum than town in ur pov?

[yessiree]

ur also ignoring gut feeling

Your gut feeling is fine but I'm still going to find your vote opportunistic and kinda scummy

And if I was scum trying to save Bulge, why wouldn't I just jump on the mobile Aureal wagon instead of start a new one with you?

also bulge and u aren’t aligned is what this means, but likely are opposing factions.

yessiree was arguing for Bulge + me off of this interaction. You should be arguing with them about who's team I'm on

black you have called everyone scum except bulge with this shade on ocla now

coincidence?
I THINK NOT

[yessiree]

VOTE: No lim

Hey guys look pacifist ending

[Aureal]

VOTE: No lim

Hey guys look pacifist ending

*cranks up Hopes and Dreams*

Not too bad a thought, but it still relies on scum cross-kills though, like any path to victory. Best case two tonight to put us at 3:1:1, then flip both correctly twice in a row. Or no-elim again and hope they shoot each other more, lol. Doesn't really feel like it'd work better than flipping scum today though my brain is too sluggish to want to dig into all the possibilities, since getting a scum today increases the odds that the remaining members shoot each other, then we'd just need to take out the last tomorrow if so.

[Aureal]

to explain the yessiree must die thing: i dont think yessiree has done anything substantial to make us reconsider python being scum.

i think black is just scum on gut alone + koichi’s reads, since i think koichi was killed for reads since there’s little reason to actually kill that slot otherwise imo.

Pretty much on board with the first line, the second line I have to think about more. I kinda get lost in nightkill WIFOM so I don't really care much about that, but Black is starting to ping me with some of this stuff she's saying and that distresses me. Demanding someone towncase themself? Say what? Don't people usually get called scummy for pointing out how towny they are because they're self-conscious about how people see them?


I don't wanna dig into Black's huuuuge ISO though.

Maybe I'll start with a smaller one. >_>

[Oclaxian Empire]

And if I was scum trying to save Bulge, why wouldn't I just jump on the mobile Aureal wagon instead of start a new one with you?

also bulge and u aren’t aligned is what this means, but likely are opposing factions.

I was gonna say this is a strange take but then the more I read about it, the more it made sense from ur pov

So this means bulge is more likely scum than town in ur pov?

kori: i'm a little stoned which is why i'm signing my posts for now, but yes, i think! i'm not fully remembering my logic to get to this point, but i think on average yeah. it might be because it's grim's thoughts too, but i think i see the train of logic to get there.

right now, both scum teams care about keeping their partner alive, and care about nobody else dying. preferrably, it'd be the other team, but a town kill is perfectly fine in either scum team's eyes! simply because it's not them and pushes them closer to their autowin if they can get rid of the other team.

town, like i've said before, doesn't really care about who they kill. they can't win unless scum crosskill multiple times, or even cross on both sides with finding the correct person, which isn't extremely likely to happen at this point. so, it means that bulge and black can't be aligned since in order to be aligned black has to be throwing, or really banking on being able to win the crosskills which, once again - is throwing because if you fail, you just lose compared to a guaranteed win in simply killing anyone but your partner. black aligned with bulge only does this if bulge is inevitable, which, i mean isn't really at the point it was done? the other team are not going to quickhammer because they autoloss on that unless they can somehow explain and convince the oddity of voting shortly after flipped scum

[Oclaxian Empire]

kori: i don't know if the above makes any sense, or if i'll be able to defend it in the morning if it's incomprehensible but it's my current thoughts that *make* sense when i'm talking

[Enchant]

VOTE: No lim

Hey guys look pacifist ending

*cranks up Hopes and Dreams*

Best case two tonight to put us at 3:1:1

Probably possible

then flip both correctly twice in a row.

Impossible

[Aureal]

Yay for furtive's ISO being nice and small. Smaller than Mala's somehow.

Conclusion: furtive could be scum but not with Bulge. Been after Bulge the whole game. Repeatedly moves off to help other wagons but always comes back to Bulge. Notable read flips on day three include Black going from scummy enough to put at E-1 to highest townread, and Python/yessiree slot dropping from town to scum. Little to no reasoning given for read flips which is obviously scummy. Seems a bit more brazen than a Black/furtive team would likely play? Other partner options (Oclax/Enchant/yessiree) more likely.

[Aureal]

Well, I really don't wanna go through the Black and Python ISOs but I think browsing the smaller ones has given me a better sense for the likelihood of pairings.

Code: Select all

furtive/yessiree
furtive/Oclax
furtive/Enchant
-furtive/Black
---furtive/Bulge

++Bulge/Black
--Bulge/yessiree
+Bulge/Oclax
+Bulge/Enchant

yessiree/Black
--yessiree/Oclax
+yessiree/Enchant

Oclax/Black
Oclax/Enchant

+Enchant/Black

So yeah, I think Bulge is a good vote here.

I've gone through the entire Undertale soundtrack and am now back at Hopes and Dreams. I'll take that as a sign to VOTE: The Bulge. E-1

[Oclaxian Empire]

VOTE: Bulge

Sorry Enchant, stealing this one from you

[Black]

Well, I really don't wanna go through the Black and Python ISOs but I think browsing the smaller ones has given me a better sense for the likelihood of pairings.

Code: Select all

furtive/yessiree
furtive/Oclax
furtive/Enchant
-furtive/Black
---furtive/Bulge

++Bulge/Black
--Bulge/yessiree
+Bulge/Oclax
+Bulge/Enchant

yessiree/Black
--yessiree/Oclax
+yessiree/Enchant

Oclax/Black
Oclax/Enchant

+Enchant/Black

So yeah, I think Bulge is a good vote here.

I've gone through the entire Undertale soundtrack and am now back at Hopes and Dreams. I'll take that as a sign to VOTE: The Bulge. E-1

VOTE: Bulge

Sorry Enchant, stealing this one from you

[Aureal]

Yeah, I guess everyone here is kinda tired.

Or stoned, apparently.

[Aureal]

BTW I didn't really check your ISO but from others I did get reminded of the conversation on page 14, and it made me sad.

[Alianna]

3.FINAL

Votecount 3.FINAL

The Bulge (EXECUTED): furtiveglance, yessiree, Aureal, Oclaxian Empire
yessiree (1): Black

No Execution (1): Enchant

Not Voting (1): The Bulge

With 7 players alive, it took 4 votes to secure an execution.

[Alianna]

The Bulge has been

executed

. They were a

Vanilla Townie

.

It is now Night 3. The night deadline is in (expired on 2023-05-01 01:39:32).

The night can end early if all living players request it.

[Alianna]

Enchant has been

burned

. They were a

Vanilla Townie

.

Oclaxian Empire has been

frozen

. They were a

Fire Mafia Goon

.

It is now Day 4.

[Alianna]

4.00

Votecount 4.00

Not Voting (4): Black, yessiree, furtiveglance, Aureal

With 4 players alive, it takes 3 votes to secure an execution or 2 votes to secure a no-execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-05-11 02:05:26).

[yessiree]

[yessiree]

VOTE: no lim

[yessiree]

Ain't nobody getting limmed today so I'm asking yall please don't drag this out unnecessarily

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: No eliminate