Skygazer's Mini Normal Review, April 2023 (Released)

[Ausuka]

(And rolecop is like a moderate strength pr so i think i'd pass as is)

[Ausuka]

I think you still need to take the simple out of the vig PM tho

[Skygazer]

whoopsie

Spoiler: Setup

1. Town Activated Innocent Child Neighborizer
   
2. Town Lazy Vigilante
   
3. Town Vanilla
   
4. Town Vanilla
   
5. Town Vanilla
   
6. Town Vanilla
   
7. Town Vanilla
   
8. Town Vanilla
   
9. Town Vanilla
   
10. Mafia Multitasking Rolecop
    
11. Mafia Goon

Spoiler: Role PMs

Welcome to Mini Normal XXXX. You are a

Town Activated Innocent Child Neighborizer

.

Activated Innocent Child:

At any point in the game, you may message me privately to reveal your alignment. When you do, I will publicly confirm your town-alignment in the game thread.

Neighborizer:

Each night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference from another role, that player will be added to this private topic neighborhood, where you may communicate at any time.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Welcome to Mini Normal XXXX. You are a

Town Lazy Vigilante

.

Lazy Vigilante:

Each night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference from another role, you will attempt to kill that player. The kill will fail if there is only one mafia-aligned player left alive at the start of the night phase in which you take your action.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Welcome to Mini Normal XXXX. You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Vanilla Townie:

You have no special abilities.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Welcome to Mini Normal XXXX. You are a

Mafia Multitasking Rolecop

. Your partner in crime is [player].

Multitasking Rolecop:

Each night, you may target a player. You will learn that player's role (but not their alignment). You may use this ability and the Mafia Kill at the same time.

Mafia Kill:

Each night, one member of your faction may attempt to kill a player.

Mafia Private Topic:

You may communicate with your partner at any time in this private thread.

You win if at least one mafia member is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Welcome to Mini Normal XXXX. You are a

Mafia Goon

. Your partner in crime is [player].

Mafia Kill:

Each night, one member of your faction may attempt to kill a player.

Mafia Private Topic:

You may communicate with your partner at any time in this private thread.

You win if at least one mafia member is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Spoiler: First Post

Mini Normal XXXX: THIS GAME HAS A VIG

[Day One]
Moderator: Skygazer
Reviewers: {reviewers}

Player List:

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10. 
    

Spoiler: Reveals

Spoiler: Second Post (Rules)

Rules (shamelessly stolen from schadd_)

General:

- Please adhere to the site rules.
- Do not discuss this game of mafia outside of this thread.
- Days will be 10 days long.
- Night phases will last 48 hours maximum. On any given night, if all players PM me that they are okay to speed up the night, it will end sooner.
- During night phase, no talking may be done in the thread.
- Do not quote PM's from the mod at all (real or fabricated). This includes specific timestamps and that sort of meta-data; please ask me if you're uncertain whether something breaks this rule. Paraphrasing is acceptable.
- If you have any questions about your role, or the game, feel free to PM the mod.
- Dead players may not post. This includes "bah" posts and the twilight phase before post-game.

Voting / Player Actions:

- Vote either with vote tags (VOTE: skygazer) or with bold (

vote: skyg

). Note that nicknames, abbreviations and acronyms are acceptable, as long as the intended vote is obvious. I will state if a vote isn't obvious.
- Don't try to confuse me with your votes.
- An Execution will occur once a majority decision is reached. if no majority is reached, the day will end peacefully.
- Following an execution, it is twilight. You may continue to post until I lock the thread and declare it night.
- If you have a Night Action, you may submit it from Night 1 and each subsequent Night (or whichever nights are specified by the role).

Activity:

- You are expected to post at least once every 48 hours. If you haven't posted for 48 hours, I shall prod you. If you do not respond to the prod within 24 hours (either in thread if it's Day, or via PM during the Night) then I will replace you.
- As well, if you require more than three prods, I will force-replace you.
- If you decide to replace out, PLEASE PM me and don't post in thread after doing so - if you want to rescind the replacement please PM me again and don't post in thread until you hear back.

Misc:

- No impossible/hard to read text, or cryptography. For example, I would prefer that no font size smaller than the one you're reading now be used.
- The mod may make mistakes - please point out any mistakes gently. Mistakes will be corrected where possible, but sometimes mistakes are made that cannot be reversed. These will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
- If you need to get the mod's attention, either PM me, or bold the text you wish to draw to my attention.
- I reserve the right to alter/remove/add any rules as I see fit. You will, of course, be notified if that happens, however.

Setup:

- This game has day talk for all private threads.
- This game will have 9 town-aligned players and 2 mafia-aligned players.
- At least one player's role in this game is some form of a Vigilante.
- This game follows Normal Game Guidelines and uses Normal Game Natural Action Resolution.

sample VT PM:

Player Name

Welcome to Mini Normal XXXX. You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Vanilla Townie:

You have no special abilities.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

[Skygazer]

I think you still need to take the simple out of the vig PM tho

fixed!

[Ausuka]

I'm pretty sure i see nothing wrong with this

I'll check again in the morning when i'm less sleepy though

[Skygazer]

hiya any thoughts?

also am i right in remembering that there is a precedence for mods to reveal the existence of a role publicly? i think the above setup is fine assuming town knows about the vig, but i'm worried if the vig isn't public then with my luck the IC plays v scummy and gets shot N1

that would not be my first concern, and i think thats just a skill issue on the players part.

it'd be more concerning with the IC being able to gather town players and effectively form a masonry while the IC stays alive and such, although with the distinct lack of power otherwise this is fine.

i think setup is fine as is

2:7 mountainous is considered relatively scumsided yet balanced, and this is 2:9 with 2 effectively IC roles with what could be 2 extra mislims over the 2:7 mountainous. IMO that works out to be fairly balanced and game result relies a lot more on individual player skill than the roles in the game(as its a pretty barebones setup)

Tbh i think the 15p schadd game you mention would be townsided for today's standards?

I also think if the IC plays scummy it's like... Within the realm of reasonable expectation that they might get vigged

(and therefore it's not really your fault if that happens?)

I still think the lazy version is just a bit townsided but maybe in that case if the mafia have some kind of power that would balance it?

so i shouldn't publicize the fact that there's a vig?

[Ausuka]

I don't think there's any need for it but if you want to host a game called THERE IS A VIG and whatever I don't think thee's much harm in it

[Skygazer]

i do kind of want to do that hehe

[DkKoba]

i don't see the point of informing anyone about a vig, as soon as an extra shot happens its public knowledge anyways

[Skygazer]

i don't see the point of informing anyone about a vig, as soon as an extra shot happens its public knowledge anyways

ya true, but i think that also means it's not really a detriment to reveal either?

i do think that there are maybe some people who might see there's a vig and be like "oh i'm not signing up for that"?

[DkKoba]

people who are anti vig are very few, and I would know, i'm someone who makes their opinion known on the matter

[Ausuka]

sometimes u just want to run a silly game with a silly name and i think that's ok

[Skygazer]

im fine with whatever tho!

[Skygazer]

also if enchant's review is close to done (or even if not) i don't want to steal their thunder necessarily since they inned first

[implosion]

You're probably up next.

[implosion]

As in, this setup will be entering signups as soon as it's ready.

[Ausuka]

/pass

[Skygazer]

in that case i have PTs set up extra early to save myself some work later

mod thread: viewtopic.php?t=90882
dead/spec thread: viewtopic.php?t=90883

implo has access to everything including other threads linked in the mod thread

ausuka and dk have access to the dead/spec thread. if you want full spoilers just ask and i can give mod thread access to you two as well.