Mini Normal 2300: THIS GAME HAS A VIG [game over]

[geraintm]

explain why please

I've re-evaluated my townread on her. I feel like she hasn't really done anything I can remember and I feel like I've given her a mental pass till now and would like to add a bit of pressure if possible.

Plus I took a quick look at T3's ISO cause I feel like there must've been a reason for him dying and his main scumreads were Greeting, Mala and Umlaut/Bris in that order of strength? Could've been a random NK or could've been silenced to take some pressure off of Greeting or Mala and I kinda like Greeting more but I'd like to pressure both. Latter feels more plausible than misdirection since NK15 or I probably felt like the obvious D2 pushes anyway.

I'm probably trying to overthink this idk?

oh, no, that makes sense
imo about the nk i think it's more likely to be greeting than mala but i think pressuring mala would be good too.

this was Patch's post just before their vote on Mala

VC 2.03

Not Known 15

(2): Invisibility,

Greeting

Malakittens

(2): Venmar,

patchwork

Venmar

(1): Not Known 15

Greeting

(1): bristep123

Not Voting

(3): Malakittens, geraintm,

Black

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to put a player on the blocking chop. Day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-05-16 09:40:00).

added in colours, but that was the Vote Summary soon after.
Scum could have joined the Not KNown/Enchant wagon - but didn't.

going to go see if they mentioned Not Known much before hand.

imo i think there's probably one scum one off, the venmar wagon built way too quickly and i dont' like how nk hammered before i could even start my case on umlaut.
sigh. from now on can we agree to announce intent to hammer when someone's at e-1?

there was this (most of the posts between this and the vote for Mala are fluff) which is setting up potential vote for NK which doesn't come.
instead, the next real opinion Patch has is the one just before the vote on Mala where they are tossing up between Mala and Greeting (who will flip Green). So Scum Patch progression was

• didn't like Not Known/Enchant's hammer
  trying to decide between Mala and Greeting on who to blame for the night kill
  settles on Mala over Greeting (green)

I am trying to work out why SCum PAtch would be setting up Enchant and Greeting for elimination and picks Mala

[Enchant]

Why patch would vote me anyway.

Eliming Greeting while keeping me alive is not really gonna harm mafia in long run: I can be vigged/elimmed next. Just in a case, if i was vigged, it's already MYLO.

[bristep123]

That vote count for NK ignores the fact that it was previously at e-1 and Patch voted for NK in their first post of day 2, the mala vote was a switch later on the back of Black taking the wagon away from e-1 and Venmar pitching a mala wagon.

[bristep123]

imo i think there's probably one scum one off, the venmar wagon built way too quickly and i dont' like how nk hammered before i could even start my case on umlaut.
sigh. from now on can we agree to announce intent to hammer when someone's at e-1?

this suggests there was one scum on the Venmar wagon D1 as it was building cuz I think Patch said this cuz they knew it. This implicates Gera, Bristep, and Enchant, but I think Bristep is the most likely scum in this situation. I doubt Enchant is scum here. Gera switched to me EOD so I think that makes them less likely to be scum here since I think it would've been better for scum!Gera to chill on the opposing wagon and allow either to get limmed

VC 1.13

Venmar

(4): Black, bristep123, Umlaut, T3

Greeting

(1): Not Known 15

Umlaut

(1): Greeting

Black

(1): Venmar

Not Known 15

(1): Invisibility

Not Voting

(3): patchwork, Malakittens, geraintm

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to accidentally disassemble a player. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-05-09 12:20:00).

in this vc the only unknown on Venmar's wagon is Bristep. This is by no means conclusive since other people moved their on and off the wagon but it definitely makes me raise an eyebrow (which I can't actually do) if Patch was letting something slip when they said the Venmar wagon built too quickly. Bristep was also the only unknown on the Venmar EOD wagon D1.

VOTE: Bristep

this theory doesn't account for the possibility of scum!Venmar but like, I don't think that's the case here? I'll definitely have to reevaluate Venmar

I still don’t like this, taking the stance that patch was telling the truth without really questioning it given they were scum - starting a wagon on me (who greeting declared as likely scum in his last moments) whilst pocketing enchant and gera - it’s not sitting right with me. Need to do some more reading of their ISO.

[Malakittens]

VLA til Friday - lots of tests

[Skygazer]

VLA til Friday - lots of tests

Noted!

[geraintm]

- geraintm

- bristep123

- Invisibility
- Malakittens
- Enchant
- Venmar

These are the players left alive. I am greening myself and Bris.

I think i want to make Mala green too, i think they picked Greeting and Mala as both townies to go after. if Mala was scum, patch went the long way around it.

So i would want to eliminate today within Invis, Enchant and Vemar

[Invisibility]

I still don’t like this, taking the stance that patch was telling the truth without really questioning it given they were scum

you say that like I said Patch's words were gospel lol. Maybe I explained my thought process for why I thought they were telling the truth poorly in my post but I had reasons!

[Enchant]

blah blah blah

you die, venmar die THEN maybe invisibility die

Town win. see ya


That's it.

[Skygazer]

VC 3.02

geraintm

(2): Malakittens, bristep123

Enchant

(1): Venmar

Not Voting

(3): Enchant, geraintm, Invisibility

With 6 alive, it takes 4 votes to implode a player. Day 3 ends in (expired on 2023-05-26 10:30:00).

mod notes: Malakittens on V/LA until Friday

[geraintm]

blah blah blah

you die, venmar die THEN maybe invisibility die

Town win. see ya


That's it.

I'm reallymconfused. I didn't post 1107?

[Skygazer]

I'm reallymconfused. I didn't post 1107?

Hey! 1111 is this post, give it back!

[Venmar]

VLA til Friday - lots of tests

You should vote Enchant so he can sheep you

[Invisibility]

I think if Enchant was town, Patch would've likely focused on trying to elim them harder but honestly it looks like Patch shaded Enchant pretty hard after both hammers but after the first hammer, didn't really push Enchant much and left the wagon fairly early.

fair but people still talked about Enchant relatively little so I still feel okay with considering him town. Patchwork might've thought Enchant was ez lim and then he wasn't and they couldn't figure out anything to say about him. Patch seemed to have difficulty saying stuff about other players that did more like, stuff, so I dunno how much Patch saying less about Enchant invalidates the TR

[geraintm]

That vote count for NK ignores the fact that it was previously at e-1 and Patch voted for NK in their first post of day 2, the mala vote was a switch later on the back of Black taking the wagon away from e-1 and Venmar pitching a mala wagon.

is this in response to my quoting VC 2.03?

[bristep123]

I still don’t like this, taking the stance that patch was telling the truth without really questioning it given they were scum

you say that like I said Patch's words were gospel lol. Maybe I explained my thought process for why I thought they were telling the truth poorly in my post but I had reasons!

I didn’t say you took it as gospel, I said you didn’t really question it, the ‘thought process’ could absolutely be read as lip service that gives the impression that you gave it careful consideration. It still pings my radar, but I’ve yet to have a proper study of your iso yet.

That vote count for NK ignores the fact that it was previously at e-1 and Patch voted for NK in their first post of day 2, the mala vote was a switch later on the back of Black taking the wagon away from e-1 and Venmar pitching a mala wagon.

is this in response to my quoting VC 2.03?

Yes.

[Invisibility]

I didn’t say you took it as gospel, I said you didn’t really question it, the ‘thought process’ could absolutely be read as lip service that gives the impression that you gave it careful consideration. It still pings my radar, but I’ve yet to have a proper study of your iso yet.

I do question it in my post

I think Patch said this cuz they knew it.

but I did word it terribly. Keep us posted on your study of my iso lol

[Enchant]

VOTE: geraintm

see ya

[bristep123]

Keep us posted on your study of my iso lol

I’ve read it, I think you’re fine, d2 focus on patch looks like more than just distancing and you did a lot of attempts to game solve d1 and d2. You have looked scummy today though because you’ve done nothing to try and solve aside from the initial case on me and I don’t overly like your reaction to it.

[bristep123]

VOTE: geraintm

see ya

I’d ask for more explanation but I know that won’t happen.

Gera that is e1, I can’t remember if you’ve claimed already but please do.

[Enchant]

VOTE: geraintm

see ya

I’d ask for more explanation but I know that won’t happen.

Gera that is e1, I can’t remember if you’ve claimed already but please do.

I already told my plan

[geraintm]

VOTE: geraintm

see ya

I’d ask for more explanation but I know that won’t happen.

Gera that is e1, I can’t remember if you’ve claimed already but please do.

there is no claim from me.

bristep - your vote on me seems based mainly on "vibes" and how i have behaved similar to another game where i was scum. in actualiality, because i said the same thing about my play style in that game. has my actual play style been the same though?

VC 1.19

Umlaut

(6):

Greeting, Black

, Venmar,

patchwork

, Malakittens, Not Known 15

Venmar

(3): bristep123,

Umlaut, T3

Not Known 15

(1): Invisibility

Invisibility

(1): geraintm

Not Voting

(0):

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to accidentally disassemble a player. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-05-09 12:20:00).

Mod notes: brb killing Umlaut

ngl I think the last scum might be off the umlaut wagon. Which means {Bris/blue squirrel/gera}

I could see it being gera. Theres been a lot of posts by gera that I don't like. Gera kept saying that he "townread" both Greeting/Umlaut, but he never actually did anything that remotely could save them.

VOTE: gera

illexplain more in a bit

this is mala's vote, and their problem seems to be i didn't do enough to save 2 players i thought were town.
but also a promise to explain more which hasn't come.

i have responded about the not defending thing, and i have tried to respond to Bris's thought that i am behaving the same in this game as another when i was scum.

if you do eliminate me, it is a weak one with no effort.

[Malakittens]

Gera my vote on you is simple.
You hardcore defended two players who flipped town, but you gave zero effort or even a post to try to counter them other than "its gonna be green". it felt like tmi
not to mention your meta is to be semi-lurky as scum which i feel like its been similar
as for the VC the scum is within {blue, bris, you} - bris claimed vig and he shot scum and theres no counter so i dont think thats a scum slot. then leaves me with blue v you and honestly i think blue is more likely 2 be town

[geraintm]

Gera my vote on you is simple.
You hardcore defended two players who flipped town, but you gave zero effort or even a post to try to counter them other than "its gonna be green". it felt like tmi

i didnt hardcore defend them as town, i just said they would flip green. hardcore would have been making an effort to actualyl save them as you said i didnt - and i didn't.

if you are town, then i can understand you only have a few places you could possibly vote and i am one of them.

what are your plans for when i flip green.
i assume you are sorting out what the vig should do tonight (i am assuming they are going to die, but i wonder if scum is concenred that they need to go after other town power roles who are more likely to catch them?)

[Skygazer]

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