[MAY ‘23 CHALLENGE] Sportsball

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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2023 2:12 pm

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Picked Fast or Picked Last


9 Players

2 Mafia Sports(Skill level is random from 1-4)

7 Town Sports (Skill level is random from 1-5. Cannot have more than one 5.)

  • Sports have a skill level, randomly from 1-5. There will be one 5 amongst the Town Sports, and no other 5s in the game.
  • Each night, Sports can do two of three things:
    • Self-Scout
      a player to send them your skill rating privately. First action reveals a three number range, second reveals exact number.
    • Train
      to level up your skill. If on the losing team, gain +2-3. If on the winning team, gain +1-2. Cannot go above 10.
    • Neighborize
      a player of their choosing.
    • Mafia Only:
      Kill
      a target player.
  • During the Day, players vote for the leader of the "Town" team.
  • Once someone is elected by majority, the team draft begins. All players must cease discussion and the draft occurs over private messages.
  • The draft must always end with the Town picking between two players. Other than that it alternates. For example, Day 1 starts with Mafia with picks 6 and 7 also being Mafia's to let Town have the 8th.
  • The last unpicked player is eliminated and flipped.
  • Once they die, they may name two players on the losing team. If at least one Mafia is among those players, the Mod will post it publicly. Otherwise, the Mod will not post it.
  • In ELO or MELO, Mafia must allow one of themselves to be in the final two if able. If a Mafia is elected Town leader is ELO or MELO, the game ends in a Mafia Victory.
  • The skill of each team is announced, and Mafia may only kill from the team with the lower number. If there is a tie, the Mafia can pick anyone.
  • This all repeats until Mafia is eliminated or Mafia equals Town.


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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Fri May 19, 2023 10:48 am

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Golden Goal


17 Players

5 Mafia Goons

12 Vanilla Townies

  • Plurality Elimination is used
  • The first 3 days, if a townie is eliminated, the town incurs a penalty and mafia get a compulsive night kill, if a mafia member is eliminated, the town scores, and the mafia must confirm a townie
  • After the first 3 day/night phases, the game enters "extra time" and the golden goal rule is implemented
  • Under Golden Goal rules, whichever faction has a player eliminated loses
This probably doesn't work as a set-up and definitely isn't how football/soccer works but I felt like entering
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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Sat May 20, 2023 6:59 am

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For golden goal, is the nightkill forced to be on town? Otherwise the setup becomes a hard 2/n EV lim on D4 where the previous 3 days just don't matter very much and n is the number of unconfirmed townies, which seems kind of not fun. Either way, the setup probably benefits from having fewer townies and making the conftown BP, as even if you correctly get three town lims in a row you have a less than 50% EV final lim just by virtue of needing to have fewer scum than town.
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Sat May 20, 2023 4:22 pm

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In post 25, BBmolla wrote:
Picked Fast or Picked Last


9 Players

2 Mafia Sports(Skill level is random from 1-4)

7 Town Sports (Skill level is random from 1-5. Cannot have more than one 5.)

  • Sports have a skill level, randomly from 1-5. There will be one 5 amongst the Town Sports, and no other 5s in the game.
  • Each night, Sports can do two of three things:
    • Self-Scout
      a player to send them your skill rating privately. First action reveals a three number range, second reveals exact number.
    • Train
      to level up your skill. If on the losing team, gain +2-3. If on the winning team, gain +1-2. Cannot go above 10.
    • Neighborize
      a player of their choosing.
    • Mafia Only:
      Kill
      a target player.
  • During the Day, players vote for the leader of the "Town" team.
  • Once someone is elected by majority, the team draft begins. All players must cease discussion and the draft occurs over private messages.
  • The draft must always end with the Town picking between two players. Other than that it alternates. For example, Day 1 starts with Mafia with picks 6 and 7 also being Mafia's to let Town have the 8th.
  • The last unpicked player is eliminated and flipped.
  • Once they die, they may name two players on the losing team. If at least one Mafia is among those players, the Mod will post it publicly. Otherwise, the Mod will not post it.
  • In ELO or MELO, Mafia must allow one of themselves to be in the final two if able. If a Mafia is elected Town leader is ELO or MELO, the game ends in a Mafia Victory.
  • The skill of each team is announced, and Mafia may only kill from the team with the lower number. If there is a tie, the Mafia can pick anyone.
  • This all repeats until Mafia is eliminated or Mafia equals Town.


Done for now
If a second neighborize resolves, does it add a player to an established neighborhood or does it make a new neighborhood?

In the case of non collapsing neighborhoods there's probably a strategy around forcing neighborize and train to prevent maf from killing effectively.
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Sun May 21, 2023 8:02 am

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In post 28, Jingle wrote:
In post 25, BBmolla wrote:
Picked Fast or Picked Last


9 Players

2 Mafia Sports(Skill level is random from 1-4)

7 Town Sports (Skill level is random from 1-5. Cannot have more than one 5.)

  • Sports have a skill level, randomly from 1-5. There will be one 5 amongst the Town Sports, and no other 5s in the game.
  • Each night, Sports can do two of three things:
    • Self-Scout
      a player to send them your skill rating privately. First action reveals a three number range, second reveals exact number.
    • Train
      to level up your skill. If on the losing team, gain +2-3. If on the winning team, gain +1-2. Cannot go above 10.
    • Neighborize
      a player of their choosing.
    • Mafia Only:
      Kill
      a target player.
  • During the Day, players vote for the leader of the "Town" team.
  • Once someone is elected by majority, the team draft begins. All players must cease discussion and the draft occurs over private messages.
  • The draft must always end with the Town picking between two players. Other than that it alternates. For example, Day 1 starts with Mafia with picks 6 and 7 also being Mafia's to let Town have the 8th.
  • The last unpicked player is eliminated and flipped.
  • Once they die, they may name two players on the losing team. If at least one Mafia is among those players, the Mod will post it publicly. Otherwise, the Mod will not post it.
  • In ELO or MELO, Mafia must allow one of themselves to be in the final two if able. If a Mafia is elected Town leader is ELO or MELO, the game ends in a Mafia Victory.
  • The skill of each team is announced, and Mafia may only kill from the team with the lower number. If there is a tie, the Mafia can pick anyone.
  • This all repeats until Mafia is eliminated or Mafia equals Town.


Done for now
If a second neighborize resolves, does it add a player to an established neighborhood or does it make a new neighborhood?

In the case of non collapsing neighborhoods there's probably a strategy around forcing neighborize and train to prevent maf from killing effectively.
New neighborhood.

I could give Mafia an extra action, would that solve that?
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Sun May 21, 2023 8:10 am

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Yeah, definitely fixes the leashing thing. Or just have the factional kill specifically be a one mafia gets it as a free action per cycle, not linked to the other actions.
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Fri May 26, 2023 3:14 am

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So... how do we vote?
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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Fri May 26, 2023 6:40 am

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I sent a PM to relly and he hasn't opened it. For now let's just assume ranked choice since any other system should be able to adapt that into a usable vote pattern.

The options are

Archery Mafia
Tennis Challenge
March Madness
Kickball Mafia
Picked Fast or Picked Last
Golden Goal

My order is:

Kickball
Archery
March
Picked
Tennis
Golden
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Sat May 27, 2023 1:55 am

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Archery
March
Kickball
Tennis
Picked
Golden
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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Sat May 27, 2023 5:08 pm

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In post 32, Jingle wrote: I sent a PM to relly and he hasn't opened it. For now let's just assume ranked choice since any other system should be able to adapt that into a usable vote pattern.

The options are

Archery Mafia
Tennis Challenge
March Madness
Kickball Mafia
Picked Fast or Picked Last
Golden Goal

My order is:

Kickball
Archery
March
Picked
Tennis
Golden
I'll have the following.
Order
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Archery
Tennis
March
Picked
Golden
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:43 am

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reboot when
master at being scum(my)
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