KittyTacky's Mini Normal Review, May 2023 (Released)

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I forgot the process, am I doing this right?

Bodyguard Madness

Town Compulsive Bodyguard
Town Compulsive Bodyguard
Town Compulsive Bodyguard
Town Traffic Analyst
Town Informed 2-Shot Vigilante ("There are multiple Bodyguards in the game.")
Town Finder (Bodyguard)
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Mafia Goon
Mafia Rolecop
Mafia Bodyguard Enabler

Bodyguards die together if they target each other. This will be told to them in the role PM so town doesn't get hit by a curveball from a triple chain getting instakilled.

I want a bodyguard-"themed" setup but the specifics I am flexible about. Can I have the review PT?

The idea here is that vig is borderline negative utility until enabler dies. Considering making it (night-specific?) compulsive too so it doesn't play super safe and holster until that happens. I don't really like the TA, I want town to have a TI but I want to nerf Follow-The-TI a bit more.

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Primary: DkKoba (I think first time assigning as primary but it's been long enough)
Secondary: Flavor Leaf

[DkKoba]

u know whats funny is that informed info is going to have the opposite effect intented considering site meta

[DkKoba]

looks like mechwise scum have little to play with when it comes to claiming however town has not much going for it either

chances are town will assume at most 1 bodyguard could be mafia and thats it.

the swing chance of multikills can be discarded here as it is very low chance


the TA and BG combo however is likely to be a problem here, I am thinking that replacing the rolecop with a 1 shot strongman is reasonable to give scum the tools to prevent a follow the cop scenario while still not having egregious counterplay.

[DkKoba]

vig = IC
2/3 BG will be considered conftown
TA will just be auto-nightkill if claimed

Town Finder could go either way here

so 5-6 slots that are mislimmable in a place where scum must kill 4, I'd like to perhaps make the TA Odd Night, give mafia 1 shot strongman and remove the Rolecop to minimize the chances of town simply winning by pure luck of rand + night actions while recognizing that vig is a likely mislim enabler for scum here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I don't love the TA here either, don't necessarily hate it, but it's sorta mid.

[Flavor Leaf]

Just a thought if we didn't want Vig to be auto IC since there's no way of stopping the kills, could add something like a Novice Compulsive, so it has to act, but can't act until Night 2, which gives scum some leeway to outplay, but that's a little odd.

[DkKoba]

Yeah, I don't love the TA here either, don't necessarily hate it, but it's sorta mid.

as in too good for town?

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I don't love the TA here either, don't necessarily hate it, but it's sorta mid.

as in too good for town?

well, right now there's a scenario where scum are vigged Night 1, faded Day 1, and hit with TA Night 1. Sure, it's not super likely, but it's possible. It's not like a hard guilty with a TA, but it's pretty strong.

[DkKoba]

right i think scenarios like that are fringe and arent really fully accountable for, that tends to be an accelerated game of scum playing poorly, although the guilty is just unfortunate in that scenario.

[KittyTacky]

u know whats funny is that informed info is going to have the opposite effect intented considering site meta

How so?

[KittyTacky]

right i think scenarios like that are fringe and arent really fully accountable for, that tends to be an accelerated game of scum playing poorly, although the guilty is just unfortunate in that scenario.

Yeah mafia lost even before the guilty in that scenario, the guilty is just humiliating if anything. The scenario can happen in any game with a vig that can shoot N1 but it's super unlikely.

[KittyTacky]

vig = IC
2/3 BG will be considered conftown
TA will just be auto-nightkill if claimed

Town Finder could go either way here

so 5-6 slots that are mislimmable in a place where scum must kill 4, I'd like to perhaps make the TA Odd Night, give mafia 1 shot strongman and remove the Rolecop to minimize the chances of town simply winning by pure luck of rand + night actions while recognizing that vig is a likely mislim enabler for scum here.

Seems fine tho.

idk what to do with the finder however. The more I look at it the more I see it as superfluous. But without it the setup feels a little bare and I want that slot to have something to do at night.

[DkKoba]

vig = IC
2/3 BG will be considered conftown
TA will just be auto-nightkill if claimed

Town Finder could go either way here

so 5-6 slots that are mislimmable in a place where scum must kill 4, I'd like to perhaps make the TA Odd Night, give mafia 1 shot strongman and remove the Rolecop to minimize the chances of town simply winning by pure luck of rand + night actions while recognizing that vig is a likely mislim enabler for scum here.

Seems fine tho.

idk what to do with the finder however. The more I look at it the more I see it as superfluous. But without it the setup feels a little bare and I want that slot to have something to do at night.

The finder is very fine here.

[DkKoba]

u know whats funny is that informed info is going to have the opposite effect intented considering site meta

How so?

It will make the vig more likely to shoot as they'll feel it's not as risky for any prs to die / can be protected once they do confirm themselves

[KittyTacky]

Bodyguard Madness

Town Compulsive Bodyguard
Town Compulsive Bodyguard
Town Compulsive Bodyguard
Town Odd-Night Traffic Analyst
Town Informed 2-Shot Vigilante ("There are multiple Bodyguards in the game.")
Town Finder (Bodyguard)
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Mafia Goon
Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
Mafia Bodyguard Enabler

Bodyguards die together if they target each other. This will be told to them in the role PM so town doesn't get hit by a curveball from a triple chain getting instakilled.

u know whats funny is that informed info is going to have the opposite effect intented considering site meta

How so?

It will make the vig more likely to shoot as they'll feel it's not as risky for any prs to die / can be protected once they do confirm themselves

Yeah. Assumes BGs are good enough scumreaders, though.

[KittyTacky]

Actually if we were to prevent the "scum hanged d1, one gets shot n1 and the other found by TA n1", wouldn't the mitigation be an EVEN-night TA?

[DkKoba]

I'm mostly fine with the setup in 15, will let FL chime in b4 I pass

[DkKoba]

I forgot the process, am I doing this right?

Bodyguard Madness

Town Compulsive Bodyguard
Town Compulsive Bodyguard
Town Compulsive Bodyguard
Town Traffic Analyst
Town Informed 2-Shot Vigilante ("There are multiple Bodyguards in the game.")
Town Finder (Bodyguard)
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Mafia Goon
Mafia Rolecop
Mafia Bodyguard Enabler

Bodyguards die together if they target each other. This will be told to them in the role PM so town doesn't get hit by a curveball from a triple chain getting instakilled.

I want a bodyguard-"themed" setup but the specifics I am flexible about. Can I have the review PT?

The idea here is that vig is borderline negative utility until enabler dies. Considering making it (night-specific?) compulsive too so it doesn't play super safe and holster until that happens. I don't really like the TA, I want town to have a TI but I want to nerf Follow-The-TI a bit more.

Also quoting to ping: it is to my understanding that strongman kill would not trigger a bodyguard death

[Flavor Leaf]

All good here. My own personal taste would add a neighborhood on like the Finder-Strongman, or Bodyguard-Strongman, but that complicates a little bit more and some don’t like that type of WIFOM (i love neighborhoods )

But yeah, it looks great as is

[DkKoba]

Alright @kitty ya just need to write up the role PMs for us to review

[DkKoba]

I also think informing Bodyguards of the chain mechanic is probably going to inspire host OGI of clearing each other so I think it's best not to include that, it is a logical conclusion that the saves would trigger a chain reaction based on the role description so if they try to make such a plan in game I'm sure someone will point it out.. and if they don't that is towns fault tbh xD

[KittyTacky]

Spoiler: Role PMs

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a

Town Compulsive Bodyguard

.

Your action is compulsive, meaning that you must submit an ordered playerlist at the start of the game, with the possibility of changing it later, and if you fail to submit, you will target the highest living player on the list.

Each Night, you must target a player. Assuming no interference with your action,

that player will be protected from one kill that night and you will be killed in their place

.

You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a

Town Odd-Night Traffic Analyst

.

You can only attempt to use your ability on odd-numbered Nights.

At Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action,

you will learn whether or not that player is able to privately communicate

with another living player (you cannot distinguish between a player who is alone in a private topic, and a player who does not have private topic access at all).

You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a

Town Informed 2-Shot Vigilante

.

You know additional information about the setup:

There are multiple

Bodyguards

in the game.

Twice per game, at Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action,

you will kill that player

.

You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a

Town Bodyguard Finder

.

At Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn whether or not that player is a

Bodyguard

.

You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a

Mafia 1-Shot Strongman

.

Your team-mates are X and Y. You may talk to them <PT link> at any time while you are alive.

Each Night, if no other member of your faction is performing this action, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will die. In addition, once per game, you can choose to make your action

unblockable

.

You win if at least one

Mafia

member is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a

Mafia Bodyguard Enabler

.

Your team-mates are X and Y. You may talk to them <PT link> at any time while you are alive.

When you die, the role "

Bodyguard

" will cease to function for all players.

You win if at least one

Mafia

member is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a

Mafia Goon

.

Your team-mates are X and Y. You may talk to them <PT link> at any time while you are alive.

Each Night, if no other member of your faction is performing this action, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will die.

You win if at least one

Mafia

member is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Spoiler: Investigation results (no result is impossible in this setup)

Odd-Night Traffic Analyst

- "<target> can currently privately communicate!" / "<target> cannot currently privately communicate."

Bodyguard Finder

- "<target> is a

Bodyguard!

" / "<target> is

not a Bodyguard

."

All good here. My own personal taste would add a neighborhood on like the Finder-Strongman, or Bodyguard-Strongman, but that complicates a little bit more and some don’t like that type of WIFOM (i love neighborhoods )

But yeah, it looks great as is

Yeah that would make it a bit too complex.

[KittyTacky]

I also think informing Bodyguards of the chain mechanic is probably going to inspire host OGI of clearing each other so I think it's best not to include that, it is a logical conclusion that the saves would trigger a chain reaction based on the role description so if they try to make such a plan in game I'm sure someone will point it out.. and if they don't that is towns fault tbh xD

Good point, omitting that.

If town is dumb enough to blow itself up, it'll be your fault!

[KittyTacky]

I choose the theme "Conway's Game Of Life".