KittyTacky's Mini Normal Review, May 2023 (Released)

[DkKoba]

Actually 1 more thing - what is the resolution for multiple bg on the same target? @implo

[KittyTacky]

Urgh, good question. Is there a Normal guideline or do I get to make it myself? Having them all die seems harsh.

[DkKoba]

Ok I have an idea. Make 1 or 2 simple

Or perhaps this:

1 simple
1 odd night
1 even night

[DkKoba]

that is I am rolling with the assumption that all BG protecting 1 target would die - as the wording and description on wiki implies that it would resolve at once and thus all would die in their place, and resolving it otherwise would require arbitrary or RNG mechanics.

[Flavor Leaf]

You still have the possibility of doubling up with that setup. That’s an interesting interaction.

[DkKoba]

makes me want to either remove a vig shot or turn the vig into an activated IC and add power elsewhere, if we are preserving the bodyguards.

[KittyTacky]

The bodyguards must be kept, not really comfortable gating them either.

[KittyTacky]

I kinda want vigi to have the possibility of shooting a BG.

[DkKoba]

The bodyguards must be kept, not really comfortable gating them either.

you open the possibility of too many kills in 1 night and bringing the game to mlimlo because a non BG PR claimed on day 1(a plausible scenario)

I do not think, assuming BG mechanics are that saving the same target means all die, that this can be passed due to that.

D1:
Town eliminated
13->12
N1:
3 BG on 1 PR, 1 vig shoots outside and shoots town:
12->8
3 v 5
MLIMLO

[KittyTacky]

Hmph. I'll try to think something up tomorrow, I'm sleepy and drunk.

[DkKoba]

Bump

[implosion]

Poke - this would be next if it's ready, looks like it needs a little more.

[DkKoba]

Poke - this would be next if it's ready, looks like it needs a little more.

Current state is impassable


I do have an idea to keep the 3 bodyguards ungated - a global informed that tells everyone there is more than 1 bodyguard in the setup.

This makes the bg a little less limmable but also will make stacking less likely

[KittyTacky]

Yeah sorry was busy. I'll do that today or tomorrow.

[KittyTacky]

Bodyguard Madness

Town Compulsive Bodyguard
Town Compulsive Bodyguard
Town Compulsive Bodyguard
Town Odd-Night Traffic Analyst
Town 2-Shot Vigilante
Town Finder (Bodyguard)
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Mafia Goon
Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
Mafia Bodyguard Enabler

Global Informed: "There are multiple Bodyguards in the setup."

Bodyguards die together if they target each other. This will be told to them in the role PM so town doesn't get hit by a curveball from a triple chain getting instakilled.

Spoiler: Role PMs

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a

Town Compulsive Bodyguard

.

Your action is compulsive, meaning that you must submit an ordered playerlist at the start of the game, with the possibility of changing it later, and if you fail to submit, you will target the highest living player on the list.

Each Night, you must target a player. Assuming no interference with your action,

that player will be protected from one kill that night and you will be killed in their place

.

You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a

Town Odd-Night Traffic Analyst

.

You can only attempt to use your ability on odd-numbered Nights.

At Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action,

you will learn whether or not that player is able to privately communicate

with another living player (you cannot distinguish between a player who is alone in a private topic, and a player who does not have private topic access at all).

You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a

Town 2-Shot Vigilante

.

Twice per game, at Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action,

you will kill that player

.

You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a

Town Bodyguard Finder

.

At Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn whether or not that player is a

Bodyguard

.

You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a

Mafia 1-Shot Strongman

.

Your team-mates are X and Y. You may talk to them <PT link> at any time while you are alive.

Each Night, if no other member of your faction is performing this action, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will die. In addition, once per game, you can choose to make your action

unblockable

.

You win if at least one

Mafia

member is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a

Mafia Bodyguard Enabler

.

Your team-mates are X and Y. You may talk to them <PT link> at any time while you are alive.

When you die, the role "

Bodyguard

" will cease to function for all players.

You win if at least one

Mafia

member is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a

Mafia Goon

.

Your team-mates are X and Y. You may talk to them <PT link> at any time while you are alive.

Each Night, if no other member of your faction is performing this action, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will die.

You win if at least one

Mafia

member is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Spoiler: Investigation results (no result is impossible in this setup)

Odd-Night Traffic Analyst

- "<target> can currently privately communicate!" / "<target> cannot currently privately communicate."

Bodyguard Finder

- "<target> is a

Bodyguard!

" / "<target> is

not a Bodyguard

."

[DkKoba]

/pass and label as complex in sign-ups

I fear this will turn out super swingy but now that town has the power to make informed decisions with volitile roles it won't be disastrous

[DkKoba]

Poke - this would be next if it's ready, looks like it needs a little more.

quoting to ping

[implosion]

Alas I have gotten to notification saturation where I ignore them.

The rules for labels are that the reviewers can only suggest them, not mandate them, iirc - KittyTacky, are you okay with labeling the setup as complex?

[DkKoba]

ah ok, well then i strongly suggest a complex label