Micro 1086 | The One I Cannot Kill | Game Over!

[Doctor Drew]

Like you have quite a bit of focus on 'what Klick is doing feels performative and like reaching'

I'll again ask if these are things you expect from scum and not town in this sort of scenario

Considering I have no idea what to expect in this setup, yes it can be from scum.

I mean, what else should I focus on? I already said I don't believe what Bianco did to be scum indicative as you said.

[Klick]

Why are you hedging? You can't have it both ways. You want to call things out as 'reaching' and 'performative', but you don't want to commit to actually seeing anything alignment indicative from those behaviours when pushed on them. In that case, why bring them up at all?

I didn't ask 'can it be from scum', I asked 'do you expect this from scum *and not town*'

[Doctor Drew]

Well then I rephrase because in my head it was more committal.

I think you are scum.

[biancospino]

But it isn't like I offered any real sort of content or was making a bunch of posts, so I can't really see any reason you waited for me.

I don't get why you wouldn't have just said it when you supposedly thought of it, fills performative in a way that was directed at me.

I mean, you didn't even ask my opinion one way or another once I did post.

@Klick, you don't need explained why that is a thing that scum especially would want to do.
Scum wins by swaying the one they can't hammer to vote for the other townie. Like say, by being performative in a way directed at the swayee

Like you have quite a bit of focus on 'what Klick is doing feels performative and like reaching'

I'll again ask if these are things you expect from scum and not town in this sort of scenario

And that is an impossible standard. Something must be outrageously egregious not to be reasonably expectable from town

[Doctor Drew]

I don't even know how to procede vote wise.

[Klick]

Well then I rephrase because in my head it was more committal.

I think you are scum.

But you have no idea what to expect from this setup? What is the baseline for that belief?

But it isn't like I offered any real sort of content or was making a bunch of posts, so I can't really see any reason you waited for me.

I don't get why you wouldn't have just said it when you supposedly thought of it, fills performative in a way that was directed at me.

I mean, you didn't even ask my opinion one way or another once I did post.

@Klick, you don't need explained why that is a thing that scum especially would want to do.
Scum wins by swaying the one they can't hammer to vote for the other townie. Like say, by being performative in a way directed at the swayee

And you don't need explained why town would potentially benefit from performative behaviour in a setup with inherently little info.

Like you have quite a bit of focus on 'what Klick is doing feels performative and like reaching'

I'll again ask if these are things you expect from scum and not town in this sort of scenario

And that is an impossible standard. Something must be outrageously egregious not to be reasonably expectable from town

I agree!

Which is why I'm skeptical of the claim that Drew thinks I'm scum for 'reaching' and 'being performative'.

[Klick]

I don't even know how to procede vote wise.

I put some thought into this earlier

I think optimal strategy is to just have the towniest looking player not vote first

If there's a triangle of suspicion then shrug whoever feels most confident places the first vote

[Klick]

Scum wins by swaying the one they can't hammer to vote for the other townie.

I don't think I agree with this as the scum wincon
Scum have three routes to victory and you've described two of them

[biancospino]

VOTE: Klick

[Klick]

I don't particularly buy that you're putting consideration towards Drew's alignment.

[Doctor Drew]

I don't particularly buy that you're putting consideration towards Drew's alignment.

What do you think I am?

[Doctor Drew]

Gonna give it a bit, but unless things drastically change I will hammer Klick.

[Klick]

I find bianco's reasoning more questionable than your reasoning as coming from a town perspective

I don't really understand why you're viewing reaching and being performative as scummy. I am doing both of those things, but I'm doing them because I feel like they're an innate requirement of this setup in order to produce more tangibly readable content.

[Klick]

The timing on this is all off.
I don't believe it took you 8 hours to realize this was the reason for your alledgedly

gut

read in 10

I find this to be a poor conclusion to come to
It's really easy to come up with reasons this take isn't valid

What could I have been doing for 8 hours in the day that would have prevented me from engaging further :thonk:

[Klick]

But Klick, I get the feeling, especially since you said you were waiting for me to join before you said anything, that you thought it would be easier to turn me against Bianco then Bianco against me.

Bianco claiming goon, yes can be from scum Bianco, but is NAI to me.

I also think this is a fairly towny post
I don't think you're particularly considering the way scum has to play this setup in this post

[Doctor Drew]

The timing on this is all off.
I don't believe it took you 8 hours to realize this was the reason for your alledgedly

gut

read in 10

I find this to be a poor conclusion to come to
It's really easy to come up with reasons this take isn't valid

What could I have been doing for 8 hours in the day that would have prevented me from engaging further :thonk:

Oh come one, the point wasn't that you were gone from the thread.

[heipizhu4]

biancospino has been prodded and has (expired on 2023-07-04 21:50:23) to post before I start looking for a replacement.

[Doctor Drew]

biancospino has been prodded and has (expired on 2023-07-04 21:50:23) to post before I start looking for a replacement.

Lol, what a game to replace into.

[biancospino]

biancospino has been prodded and has (expired on 2023-07-04 21:50:23) to post before I start looking for a replacement.

Lol, what a game to replace into.

I'm here.

The timing on this is all off.
I don't believe it took you 8 hours to realize this was the reason for your alledgedly

gut

read in 10

I find this to be a poor conclusion to come to
It's really easy to come up with reasons this take isn't valid

What could I have been doing for 8 hours in the day that would have prevented me from engaging further :thonk:

You did not stop "engaging" for 8 hours, you broke the same thought into two pieces. And you admitted yourself that you did so deliberately, so I wasn't even wrong.

You don't get to play the card that I'm not allowed to infer stuff (that, remember, you ended up admitting yourself) unless I can exclude that anything else is possible. It is very easy indeed to come up with reasons why anything at all could

possibly

be explained away; again you're asking for an impossible standard.
Did I catch you for the wrong reason or something?

[Doctor Drew]

biancospino has been prodded and has (expired on 2023-07-04 21:50:23) to post before I start looking for a replacement.

Lol, what a game to replace into.

I'm here.

The timing on this is all off.
I don't believe it took you 8 hours to realize this was the reason for your alledgedly

gut

read in 10

I find this to be a poor conclusion to come to
It's really easy to come up with reasons this take isn't valid

What could I have been doing for 8 hours in the day that would have prevented me from engaging further :thonk:

You did not stop "engaging" for 8 hours, you broke the same thought into two pieces. And you admitted yourself that you did so deliberately, so I wasn't even wrong.

You don't get to play the card that I'm not allowed to infer stuff (that, remember, you ended up admitting yourself) unless I can exclude that anything else is possible. It is very easy indeed to come up with reasons why anything at all could

possibly

be explained away; again you're asking for an impossible standard.
Did I catch you for the wrong reason or something?

Would you be cool and unvote Klick and let me vote them?

[biancospino]

Sure. UNVOTE:

[Klick]

The timing on this is all off.
I don't believe it took you 8 hours to realize this was the reason for your alledgedly

gut

read in 10

I find this to be a poor conclusion to come to
It's really easy to come up with reasons this take isn't valid

What could I have been doing for 8 hours in the day that would have prevented me from engaging further :thonk:

Oh come one, the point wasn't that you were gone from the thread.

The timing on this is all off.
I don't believe it took you 8 hours to realize this was the reason for your alledgedly

gut

read in 10

I find this to be a poor conclusion to come to
It's really easy to come up with reasons this take isn't valid

What could I have been doing for 8 hours in the day that would have prevented me from engaging further :thonk:

You did not stop "engaging" for 8 hours, you broke the same thought into two pieces. And you admitted yourself that you did so deliberately, so I wasn't even wrong.

You don't get to play the card that I'm not allowed to infer stuff (that, remember, you ended up admitting yourself) unless I can exclude that anything else is possible. It is very easy indeed to come up with reasons why anything at all could

possibly

be explained away; again you're asking for an impossible standard.
Did I catch you for the wrong reason or something?

It wasn't a sensible inference. It's also not correct.

Here's the order of events:

1. I had a gut negative reaction to your claim.
2. I posted about it.
3. I realised what it was that was bothering me.
4. I decided to wait before following up.

And yes I am annoyed at this situation, because one of you is responding to this in an annoying way as scum, and one of you is doing it as town. It's not 'caught for the wrong reasons', it's 'incorrectly tunnelled for wrong reasons'. What you are picking up on is me truthfully arguing back against incorrect reasoning.

If I were scum in this situation, it wouldn't be particularly difficult to come up with something more persuasive than the truth. I'm arguing what I'm arguing because I'm town and it's true.

[heipizhu4]

Kind notice that the day deadline is in (expired on 2023-07-08 08:00:00).

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Klick

[biancospino]

VOTE: Klick