Micro 1088: Carbon 14 - Game Over

[sheepsaysmeep]

Drew u need to be talking about what ur thinking lmao

[sheepsaysmeep]

This is very difficult for me and I would appreciate if both sides could like tldr why they are villager and why the other is wolf lol

In like simplest form few sentences

[sheepsaysmeep]

I think I suddenly started ever slightly favoring imaginality

Things have made me like both sides

gut likes PC self defending so unabashedly lol like not hiding the fact that he is desperately preserving himself


Imag I like his partner hunting and sorta believe it… like I already liked the second half of 251 before the more in depth stuff lol

The thing is that my gut wants imag because my gut screams drew-imag team lol

[sheepsaysmeep]

It is 3 am so I truly do not know which way I prefer hopefully it’s like something is chosen without me even mattering rather than me being the decider lol

[imaginality]

This is very difficult for me and I would appreciate if both sides could like tldr why they are villager and why the other is wolf lol

In like simplest form few sentences

Why I'm town:

- I chose my night target smartly to maximise chance of being alive if they were wolf
- I didn't self-vote to E-1 D1
- I'm attempting to help solve today given I'm dead tomorrow

Why PC is scum (note, not "why PC is wolf", as we don't know if PC is wolf or mafia, but if PC flips wolf then Drew is conf town):

- I'm Town Seer therefore PC is lying (admittedly this reason is subjective, but it's convincing to me :p )
- PC was likely the main lim candidate today after dodgy D1 play and hammer, so gambiting makes sense for scum in PC's slot
- PC's play D1 can be seen as cop-fishing and PC is smart enough to have figured there is a decent chance I'm Seer before PC claimed
- PC's trying to win arguments by dismissiveness and eye rolling
- PC could plausibly be buddied with Drew or Dunn
- PC still omgussy D2 e.g. suspecting Dunn is scum in 266
- PC barely trying to solve for my partner today (199, 229, 266 the only times he's even touched on it) whereas town!Seer would know they're dying tonight so would effort more today

[Doctor Drew]

Drew u need to be talking about what ur thinking lmao

I wanted things to organically happen, but i get it lol.

I am leaning towards PC as scum.

Kinda feel the PC/Dunn things here recently is theater.......especially with Dunn wanting to only lim between myself and you.

And ya, Dunn, you wouldn't want to vote yourself......but as town you would have worded it differently. I feel you were trying to setup the mis-elim.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew u need to be talking about what ur thinking lmao

I wanted things to organically happen, but i get it lol.

I am leaning towards PC as scum.

Kinda feel the PC/Dunn things here recently is theater.......especially with Dunn wanting to only lim between myself and you.

And ya, Dunn, you wouldn't want to vote yourself......but as town you would have worded it differently. I feel you were trying to setup the mis-elim.

Faceplam emoji unintentional lol.

[imaginality]

Oh btw I think the idea of limming among Dunn, Drew, sheep is seriously bad. Because if you lim between me and PC not only is there more chance we lim scum (1 in 2 vs 1 in 3) but also if scum happen to be wolves then Drew is cleared for D3.

[imaginality]

@Drew I agreee. I drafted this 12 hours or so ago but wanted to see how the discussion went before sharing my thoughts:

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For PC to get me mislimmed he has to get one townie on board. Also in case PC is limmed instead of me he has to not make it obvious who his buddy is.

Conclusion: I think it's PC and Dunn. I think PC's suspicions of Dunn today help with distancing in case PC gets limmed instead of me, while also helping make it more likely town!Drew and/or town!sheep will go along with PC's push on me since PC's staying on their good side by not scum-reading them.

[Political Clout]

Oh btw I think the idea of limming among Dunn, Drew, sheep is seriously bad. Because if you lim between me and PC not only is there more chance we lim scum (1 in 2 vs 1 in 3) but also if scum happen to be wolves then Drew is cleared for D3.

i agree with this the only person we should lim is imag or myself but I prefer imag.

imag goes from not knowing whether their are wolves to saying there are wolves to here questioning whether or not their are wolves. it just shows how he is trying to follow everything he is saying trying to stay consistent with what he should know but he forgets sometimes.

[Political Clout]

:facepalm:

Drew u need to be talking about what ur thinking lmao

I wanted things to organically happen, but i get it lol.

I am leaning towards PC as scum.

Kinda feel the PC/Dunn things here recently is theater.......especially with Dunn wanting to only lim between myself and you.

And ya, Dunn, you wouldn't want to vote yourself......but as town you would have worded it differently. I feel you were trying to setup the mis-elim.

what did you want to organically happen???

tell me your thinking on scumme

anything else being discussed that isn't me or imag is just wifom especially on imag's part like dicussing partners based on what you think are associations is bad play objectively. it's better to find that they are scum independently. Feel free to look at all your past games of when you have scum based on associations if your number is high then I'm more than willing to be wrong. my bet is that you probably don't even know what the number is and what made more of an impression is when you catch scum independently.

if you insist I make association reads thats fine with me just let me know I already stated previously that I thought dunn and imag had posted dangerously close to eachother and they came out in concert against me.

your last point about dunn is dumb no matter how you put it. like how would dunn have worded it as town?

[Political Clout]

This is very difficult for me and I would appreciate if both sides could like tldr why they are villager and why the other is wolf lol

In like simplest form few sentences

the simplest explanation is the best.

I have a guilty on imag and voted him he came out and cc'd me. that is my best evidence and no matter how much imag or I post it doesn't change the fact that I posted when I posted and now imag is trying to wifom that against me saying I guessed at his role. yesterday when I said who to investigate what you said made me change my mind and just investigate imag. now imag is just trying to throw everything at the wall and trying to see what sticks.

[Dunnstral]

but also if scum happen to be wolves then Drew is cleared for D3.

And if scum happen to be mafia, then you are cleared if we elim outside and they flip.

[Dunnstral]

:facepalm:

Drew u need to be talking about what ur thinking lmao

I wanted things to organically happen, but i get it lol.

I am leaning towards PC as scum.

Kinda feel the PC/Dunn things here recently is theater.......especially with Dunn wanting to only lim between myself and you.

And ya, Dunn, you wouldn't want to vote yourself......but as town you would have worded it differently. I feel you were trying to setup the mis-elim.

Alright go ahead and type out for me what I would have written then. I want to see what you wanted me to do.

[Dunnstral]

It is 3 am so I truly do not know which way I prefer hopefully it’s like something is chosen without me even mattering rather than me being the decider lol

I am willing to eliminate Dr Drew. If you are also willing to do that then that's that.

[imaginality]

but also if scum happen to be wolves then Drew is cleared for D3.

And if scum happen to be mafia, then you are cleared if we elim outside and they flip.

Please explain. I don't see how any lim (aside from PC) would clear me.

[Dunnstral]

PC is claiming to have a seer guilty on you. If We elim outside of you two and the person flips mafia, we know PC is lying.

[Dunnstral]

And I believe PC claiming cop is more likely to come from mafia than wolf. As if it gets a reaction it is more beneficial to their team.

[Dunnstral]

1 in 2 vs 1 in 3 doesn't matter because we have to do both to win.

[imaginality]

Ah okay I see the point. It's swings and roundabouts I think. 6/24 your way (1/3 x 3/4), 5/24 my way (1/2 x 5/12).

Perhaps more meaningful if we put it into actual people:

Your way, we have to be right about who's scum in (Drew, you, sheep) but if we are, then half the time that's the game; half the time it's PC v me tomorrow.

My way: we have to be right about PC being scum, and if we are, then half the time it's you vs sheep tomorrow, half the time it's you vs Drew vs sheep.

I obviously know PC is scum so prefer my way but I can see it's an open question for you, sheep and Drew depending how strong your read on me vs PC is compared with your scumreads amongst the three of you

[imaginality]

Oh btw I think the idea of limming among Dunn, Drew, sheep is seriously bad. Because if you lim between me and PC not only is there more chance we lim scum (1 in 2 vs 1 in 3) but also if scum happen to be wolves then Drew is cleared for D3.

i agree with this the only person we should lim is imag or myself but I prefer imag.

imag goes from not knowing whether their are wolves to saying there are wolves to here questioning whether or not their are wolves. it just shows how he is trying to follow everything he is saying trying to stay consistent with what he should know but he forgets sometimes.

Yep, I got an inno so I don't know if there are wolves or not. All I have is speculation.
You're scum so you know for sure. Care to enlighten us?

[Political Clout]

It is 3 am so I truly do not know which way I prefer hopefully it’s like something is chosen without me even mattering rather than me being the decider lol

I am willing to eliminate Dr Drew. If you are also willing to do that then that's that.

I like that you are just blatantly exposing that you have imag's vote lol.

[Dunnstral]

If Sheep and I are both voting for Dr Drew and neither you or imaginality quick hammer it, it becomes clear that Dr Drew is mafia. And so you or imaginality will place the finishing vote.

[sheepsaysmeep]

Ahhhhhh

[sheepsaysmeep]

My first thought was that I’m not down to just lim drew because I’m not confident at all that Dunn isn’t scum