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[Skygazer]

please don't post while driving it's very dangerous

[KatyKimFanClub]

She can say whatever since she’s scum and making up reads so why construct it so that elements looks town after I flip town?

[KatyKimFanClub]

Home now.
Look at the three way associations here:

Daisy says that if I flip town then Elements is town. Because a scum Elements does not intent to hammer post me. At this point, we know that Daisy is scum. We also know that she didn't give any actual reasoning for why a town!KKFC implies a town!Elements. She just says that she doesn't think scum!Elements does this.

So, either:

1) She knows I'm going to flip town. If this is true, then she makes her partner look better by giving a pre-existing reasoning both for my vote and for Elements being town.

2) She knows I'm going to flip scum. If this is true, then she knows that she's going into an endgame with Elements alive with no actual case and no evidence against him. This raises the question of why she wouldn't instead a) push Elements first (she already said she found his behavior from Day 1 scummy) or b) push me, but instead say that if I flip scum then Elements has to be scum using an intent to hammer post to slow down the wagon. She doesn't use this argument until Day 3, when we are both "confirmed" to her.

Another way of thinking about it:

Daisy has said that Element's only possible partner is me. Once I flip town, this gives her an easy way to townread Elements.

Now, let's think about if Elements is town (he isn't but let's imagine it).

This means Elements, as town, made an intent to hammer post on scum (me) who was being pushed by his partner (Daisy), and neither partner pushed him for the rest of the game about it. In fact, the person being wagoned (me) would townread him for that, and the person bussing wouldn't make any hint or reference that Elements is actually the one bussing until ELO on Day 3.

[Skygazer]

Daisy's play definitely seems towny, but now I'm starting to be a little more skeptical mainly because I reread 393 again. I think wagon dynamics on iavh also play a part. If iavh flips scum I'm pretty happy saying Daisy is

town

.

Different from my original reason. I don't think my meta read really holds much ground anymore? Because whilst you have been defensive and reactive (things that my biases go grrr at), you've not been passive and that was the crux of my read on Page 4.

Honestly, I hate 393 because it seems inconsistent with the rest of Daisy's play. For one, they clearly value meta as a way to help evaluate people. 393 goes against that, basically saying "look this meta read was wrong", but there's this other heuristic that I think is naturally scummy. The thing is, in my defense I can either be passive or defensive/reactive, and it looks like no matter what I was going to get scumread by Daisy for one. Maybe this is an oversight (I could honestly see it), but the way in which Daisy is evaluating me in this post feels to me like I'm getting set up.

i feel like there's no reason for kkfc to bus daisy here when daisy was fairly townread at the time this post was made

[Skygazer]

Daisy's play definitely seems towny, but now I'm starting to be a little more skeptical mainly because I reread 393 again. I think wagon dynamics on iavh also play a part. If iavh flips scum I'm pretty happy saying Daisy is

town

.

Different from my original reason. I don't think my meta read really holds much ground anymore? Because whilst you have been defensive and reactive (things that my biases go grrr at), you've not been passive and that was the crux of my read on Page 4.

Honestly, I hate 393 because it seems inconsistent with the rest of Daisy's play. For one, they clearly value meta as a way to help evaluate people. 393 goes against that, basically saying "look this meta read was wrong", but there's this other heuristic that I think is naturally scummy. The thing is, in my defense I can either be passive or defensive/reactive, and it looks like no matter what I was going to get scumread by Daisy for one. Maybe this is an oversight (I could honestly see it), but the way in which Daisy is evaluating me in this post feels to me like I'm getting set up.

Overall (assuming iavh town flip):

scumlean

accidentally cut off the last line

[Skygazer]

Town
---
Elements
Skygazer

PP
Daisy
Kitty

RN
---
Scum

i feel like if kkfc was scum he would've been in the know about the crumb considering daisy had already picked up on it at this point. i feel like if scum-KKFC knew PP was an investigative with an inno on kitty he wouldn't have put two townies (me and elements in this world) he'd need to push in elo above PP and Kitty.

[Skygazer]

most of the signs i see point towards oopsie / elements i think

[KittyTacky]

Wow I'm on a roll this game.

[Skygazer]

And Daisy has to push you as scum in this final 5 because 1 is cop confirmed and 1 basically everyone townreads due to the claim. So the three of us are locked into scumreading the other 2.

this reads as elements and daisy being aligned to me rather than not? like it feels like a defense

[Skygazer]

Wow I'm on a roll this game.

yes you are!!

[Skygazer]

at this point i feel like itd be unfair to strategize considering that seemed like a "time to end the day hammer"

anyone know any good jokes?

[Elements]

Sadly my favorite joke is very much an "tell in person" joke

[OopsieDaisy]

at this point i feel like itd be unfair to strategize considering that seemed like a "time to end the day hammer"

anyone know any good jokes?

Knock knock

[Skygazer]

whos there

[OopsieDaisy]

whos there

Doctor

[Skygazer]

doctor who

[KatyKimFanClub]

[OopsieDaisy]

doctor who

u got it <3

[Elements]

wait Daisy, are you a Dr Who fan?!

[Elements]

Doctor: we had to remove your colon

Me why

[Elements]

i have just googled "jokes that only work when written out"

[Elements]

Me: Earth isn't flat

Fiat earther: Correct

Me: What do you mean?

Fiat earther: It's shaped as a car

Me: What?

Fiat earther: I guess you read my name wrong

[OopsieDaisy]

wait Daisy, are you a Dr Who fan?!

I know I know, it's a v big surprise

[RH]

I'll quickly get the flip going.
implo will take over for next week so please send all future PMs to him until I return from school camp.

[RH]

 

Flavour

Somewhere Only We Know

Day 3 Final

OopsieDaisy (

Hammered

) - Elements, Skygazer, OopsieDaisy

Not Voting

- KatyKimFanClub, KittyTacky

Notes

• My mod ISO is here.
  
• With 5 remaining, it took 3 to form a majority.
  
• I'm going on school camp from tommorrow to next Friday so implosion will take over.

The

Night

concludes in (expired on 2023-08-14 00:50:00).