VCM:LME mafia PT

[Yimmy]

kinda stings that my predecessor gets to be macho and i dont

[Cook]

also i'm moderately concerned i can't do the factional kill and also modify everyone

i'd like to propose ninjaing the factional kill in that case

[Cook]

where have you all been

[Cook]

there's one hour before deadline

[Cook]

so as it turns out i can't do the nightkill on the same night that i do the modifier action and it seems like i also can't not do the modifier action. "you

must

assign the following modifiers to yourself and your teammates each night:"

as a result, if we're going to kill someone, it's going to be someone else. Ircher is already doing nothing, so.

also bingle has not posted in the thread. is he a traitor or something? if he's doing his own night actions then i have to assume he is. just in case though

FINAL ACTIONS:

Cook

loved to Cook

hated to Bingle

announcing, ninja, bulletproof to Ircher

macho to Yimmy

Yimmy

non-consec enforcer on Theta Alpine

Ircher

kill DkKoba

Bingle

is Bulletproof

[Cook]

if there are any objections, you have mere minutes to get them in

[Yimmy]

sorry i don't know why we are enforcing theta and i wasn't worrying about it

[Cook]

theta is a desperate 1-day treestumper more or less, so she can only target people who cop differently from her
ranger has a role that can remove modifiers from someone's role for a day

if ranger targets theta, then theta can treestump anyone, and that includes the green-flipped aureal

by stopping aureal from getting stumped, the hope is to discredit theta and/or ranger

this might turn out really badly and get a mech guilty on one of us but i'm willing to risk it we have bingle staying deep

[Cook]

AHHHH OKAY THAT EXPLAINS THAT

[Ircher]

Oh... Well I think we're okay in terms of (fake)claims then. That wasn't what I was expecting but I don't think it resembles anything any of us claimed.

[Ircher]

What does enforcer do again btw?

[Cook]

What does enforcer do again btw?

asceticizer without calling it asceticizer

[Cook]

which is... weirdly... not the wiki definition. the wiki version is a scum claim.

[Cook]

so is bingle going to get tossed off the bus or

[Ircher]

I mean, I don't see the resemblance between Bingle's claim and the flip, so.... I wouldn't bus too hard there.

[Cook]

I mean, I don't see the resemblance between Bingle's claim and the flip, so.... I wouldn't bus too hard there.

the problem here is thus:

hated is the only modifier that can realistically show as negative utility? bingle claimed unchangeable townie, and by being hated, that would contradict being unchangeable

therefore, if i claim i successfully put hated on bingle, then that hard-guilties him

[Ircher]

I'd rather you'd not do that. We'll just have to be careful that Bingle doesn't get to E-1.

I think you're better off not trying to confirm your role in any way. I don't think people will really question you on it, and it makes us less likely to give away info.

[Ircher]

REMINDER:
6 listmods submitted 4 roles each: 3 town, 1 scum.
Of those 24 roles, only 17 were used.
There should be six groups of roles in total, with seven roles randomly subtracted from them.
This means there's

theoretically

enough for one group to be entirely absent, and one group to only have a single role. This is the most extreme and would leave the other four groups full at 4/4.
More realistically, most groups should have ~3. However, any group with 4/4 guarantees netting scum. (Every group of 4 increases the odds of other groups being smaller.)

Group 6 -

Leftovers2

-

Alisae:

1x ignite arsonist - can mark one person per night up to two, can ignite once in game killing marked targets.
I don't know, tbh. Arsonist is a standard role, and it has a standard modifier. Nobody else has this.

Group 5 -

Leftovers

-

Ircher:

Day-Neighborizer, loses vote on following day.
Educated guess: there's only six groups, these roles don't fit in the below, but don't match with Alisae's.

DragonEater70:

Cop who loses role when town is eliminated.
Educated guess: there's only six groups, these roles don't fit in the below, but don't match with Alisae's.

Group 4 -

nonstandard role with modifier group?

-

3/4 names

Theta Alpine:

Desperate Treevivor Doomer - Temporary treestump of those investigating as a different alignment to her, must be used within 24 hours of the player's death.
Speculation, nonstandard roles with modifiers paired together.

Skygazer:

Compulsive Loan Shark - Gives people control of vote on even days. Takes control of actions of the player on the following night.
Speculation, nonstandard roles with modifiers paired together.

Random Nurse:

Non-Consecutive Enforcer - rolestopper for everything except nightkills.
Speculation, nonstandard roles with modifiers paired together.

Group 3 -

PenguinPower?

-

3/4 names

Save The Dragons:

Hotelier - Neighborizes two players, but only for that night. (This is PenguinPower's, presumably. The listmod needed awareness of Community Redux.)
Speculation; given the similarity between Aureal's claim and the Hotelier(which actually

was

a cult), this is probably the same group of roles.

AniX:

Restricted Joat of some kind. Three 1x abilities triggered upon performing certain actions or lack thereof during the day. Delayer (not voting restriction), tracker (vote crazy), vig (tunnel vote).
Presumably, paired with Aureal's group. Speculation; given the similarity between Aureal's claim and the cult-Hotelier, if AniX is also in the group, these three would all be together.

Aureal:

Amway Seller? (Basically a cult without the alignment.) Opens neighborhood with people, who then get to accept, requires a sales pitch (dayplay-related). People in neighborhood gain access to all abilities within, more people = more abilities available. However, people within can't use powers beyond the set offered while within, and must use a night action to leave. One of the powers is a neighborizer, which spreads the powers. Powers:1 in, message; 3 in, neighborhood; 6 in, roleblock + auto-recruit; 10 in, vig. (Being honest, I really don't wrap my head around Aureal's claim. I think the grouping's accurate spec though.)
Presumably, paired with AniX's group. Speculation; given the similarity between this role and the Hotelier cult role, they are presumably in the same role group.

Group 2 -

nonstandard modifier standard role group?

-

4/4 names;

must contain scum

Doctor Drew:

Eternal Universal Backup - inherits the role of the last town player to die, continuously.
Bit speculative here, I think the standard roles with nonstandard modifiers are a group.

DKKoba:

Temporary Death Miller - flips as random scum role in the game until that role dies.
Bit speculative here, I think the standard roles with nonstandard modifiers are a group. The mechanics of the Death Miller are slightly unusual, in a way similar to the mechanics of the Universal Backup.

Political Clout:

Sensitive Tracker - can't act night after targeting different alignment.
Bit speculative here, I think the standard roles with nonstandard modifiers are a group.

Bingle:

Immune townie - can't be altered in any way/shape/form, can choose between bp or ascetic.
Might be part of my speculative "nonstandard modifier, standard role" group, with the modifier being the entire role for Bingle.

In this group, HURT: Doctor Drew

Group 1 -

Implosion?

-

4/4 names;

must contain scum

(possible epicmafia player, implosion was an EM player)

Ranger:

Passifizer - Disables passives/modifiers for that night and following day, becomes miller during night when using.
I suspect I'm in the {Cook, camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub} group by the similar role naming scheme.

Cook:

Modifier - gives random negative utility to target.
(I suspect is in my role group. I believe my group, by the role names as a clue, is {Ranger, Cook, camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub}.)

camelCasedSnivy:

Baker - gives out goods which can self-roleblock when eaten, baked goods can be passed on, can only be used three times.
(I suspect is in my role group. I believe my group, by the role names as a clue, is {Ranger, Cook, camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub}.)

KatyKimFanClub:

Revealer - reveals a random player's role if killed. (Sounds like what some call the Oracle role.)
(Might be in my role group? I believe my group, by the role names as a clue, is {Ranger, Cook, camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub}.)

In this group, HURT: Cook

I need a reference on claims. Thanks Ranger!

[Ircher]

I mean, I don't see the resemblance between Bingle's claim and the flip, so.... I wouldn't bus too hard there.

the problem here is thus:

hated is the only modifier that can realistically show as negative utility? bingle claimed unchangeable townie, and by being hated, that would contradict being unchangeable

therefore, if i claim i successfully put hated on bingle, then that hard-guilties him

Since you're getting asked, you should claim you either didn't use your ability or choose someone you think is scummy (camel? Skygazer?) and say you used your ability there.

[Ircher]

I'd probably go with the former if you think you have a reasonable chance of getting away with it.

[Ircher]

I don't think it's unreasonable to decide

not

to use it since it is purported negative utility. Unless you claimed compulsive. In which case, you'll have to decide on what modifier you gave. I'd suggest something like ascetic or macho. Those won't be super easy to verify immediately. Don't claim something like hated or loud or announcing.

[Cook]

gonna say no action

if bingle gets tossed out, then i'm screwed

[Cook]

need to step away from the site for a moment though. hoooogh

[Yimmy]

so Bingle can't endgame then
i believe im doused, so im not endgaming unless we deal with ofhrz today probably. that leaves ircher?
not sure what my gameplan is yet. usually id just obvtown and call it good :(

[Yimmy]

this was best case scenario for a koba kill. a miracle