Open 880 - Mod PT

[Alianna]

Thank you!

[Alianna]

What happens if you roleblock the person roleblocking you? Do both players end up roleblocked, under Normal rules?

@Alianna?

What happens if you roleblock the person roleblocking you? Do both players end up roleblocked, under Normal rules?

@Alianna?

More specifically: If

Multitasking Serial Killer Doctor Rolecop Roleblocker

and

Town Combined Roleblocker Friendly Neighbor

roleblocked each other and the SK shot someone else, would the kill go off?

@Cook?

[Cook]

hmm...

roleblocking creates a bit of an endless paradox if you say "both roleblocks happen"...

you have either two scenarios:
1. the roleblocks mutually roleblock each other. (this results in other actions taken also being roleblocked.)
2. the roleblocks mutually fail due to being roleblocked. (this results in other actions succeeding.)

[Cook]

this should have been in the ruleset tbh we just didn't catch it

there's no consensus on what it does even in normal games, just that it needs to be planned for

[Cook]

and seeing as we're resolving things as if they're normal...

hmm.

you would have had to have made a judgement call already so that there would be something to go back on.

i don't think this is the way of going about it at

all

but saying "if you don't put me in this situation then i won't have to make an arbitrary decision" might fix it

[Alianna]

Yeah, we definitely should have thought of that lol.

[Alianna]

Does it make any difference that one of the roles is using a combined action?

[Cook]

it shouldn't? roleblock is a roleblock, and it's clear from other roles' design that there are situations where they'd be stopped individually (vigi + loyal bodyguard) but that's not a roleblock per se

[Alianna]

hmm...

roleblocking creates a bit of an endless paradox if you say "both roleblocks happen"...

you have either two scenarios:
1. the roleblocks mutually roleblock each other. (this results in other actions taken also being roleblocked.)
2. the roleblocks mutually fail due to being roleblocked. (this results in other actions succeeding.)

2 makes more sense to me personally, but this is a sticky situation because anything I say has the possibility to influence the game and I didn’t actually have a ruling on this, even though I really should have.
I don’t actually fully understand what they’re talking about or how different rulings would impact the game, but still.

[Alianna]

I also made the mistake of complaining about it in spec chat…

[Alianna]

There is always, “I can’t answer that question,” but that creates problems of its own.

[Alianna]

Spoiler: deranged screaming

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!

[Alianna]

This is probably a listmod question now that I think about it.

[Alianna]

No response, so I'm just going to answer with #2. I was concerned about undue mod influence, but I don't really think that's avoidable as I have to make some ruling in any case.

[Alianna]

Kicking myself over the fact I didn't think to decide on that earlier though.

[Alianna]

Night 4 Actions

Doctor Drew uses gunsmith ability on DragonEater70. (fails, roleblocked)
DragonEater70 uses combined vigilante loyal bodyguard action on Infinity 324. (succeeds, DragonEater70 dies)
Yimmy uses combined roleblocker friendly neighbour action on Doctor Drew. (succeeds, Drew receives FN message)

usesPython activates bulletproof ability. (succeeds, shot expended)
usesPython uses factional kill on Yimmy. (succeeds, Yimmy dies)

Night 4 Resolution

DragonEater70 dies.
Yimmy dies.

Doctor Drew receives the message: "Your investigation on DragonEater70 failed and returned no result."
Doctor Drew receives the message: "You learn that Yimmy is aligned with the

town

."

Fast Night Requests

- None

[Cook]

No response, so I'm just going to answer with #2. I was concerned about undue mod influence, but I don't really think that's avoidable as I have to make some ruling in any case.

sometimes it's all you have. happens to the best of us.

[Alianna]

No response, so I'm just going to answer with #2. I was concerned about undue mod influence, but I don't really think that's avoidable as I have to make some ruling in any case.

sometimes it's all you have. happens to the best of us.

Yeah, that's the way it goes sometimes. I did get a response this morning, thankfully ruling #2 was an acceptable answer.

[Alianna]

Linking all the notes PTs for organizational purposes:

Invisibility
DragonEater70
usesPython
BlueSnakelet
heipizhu4

[Alianna]

also i'd like to request a draw

Lol.

[Alianna]

There are few enough players now that I'm confident in my action resolution. If you're online and want to check it, you can, but otherwise, I'm just going to go ahead and start the day when deadline hits.

[Cook]

seems right

[Cook]

and that's game! very cool!

[Alianna]

The game is now over and this PT has been released.