i procrastinated opening this dead thread

[Cook]

ooh pagetop

[DragonEater70]

i thought my fakeclaim was an interesting role too

Well it was, I just feel like it would make more sense if you chose what modifier to give (and would actually be a more believable claim).

[Cook]

i thought my fakeclaim was an interesting role too

Well it was, I just feel like it would make more sense if you chose what modifier to give (and would actually be a more believable claim).

honestly it probably would have been

[Bingle]

i thought my fakeclaim was an interesting role too

Well it was, I just feel like it would make more sense if you chose what modifier to give (and would actually be a more believable claim).

It would have been believable if either you had a list of potential modifiers or didn't specify negative modifier. It specifying both meant that the modifiers would have to be objectively negative in every potential case which is just a nightmare from a modding perspective and outright impossible in this game.

It was a pretty cool fakeclaim though, if you discount it not working in the context of this game. Much better than Mr. "Fakeclaim as "Not a Cop"" in the town.

[Bingle]

Also, AniX has made impressively bad calls with Night Actions this game.

[Cook]

very

[Enchant]

... Can i accept Amway invitation if i am dead?

[Bingle]

It would be against site rules for xyzzy to let you do so after you got dead thread access, because theoretically your decision could have changed because of dead thread info.

[DragonEater70]

It was a pretty cool fakeclaim though, if you discount it not working in the context of this game. Much better than Mr. "Fakeclaim as "Not a Cop"" in the town.

I am not horribly offended, but on my defense, did you read my actual flip? There wasn't a lot for me to work with, unless you wanted me to just invent a brand new role which idk if that would be really justified.

[Yimmy]

i don't think it's a matter of site rules bingle. this game literally has a role that revives dead players as treestumps

[DragonEater70]

i think ircher -> kkfc -> ccs would probably win the game??

what can i do to towntell

First of all, nice

Second of all, what if I told you that you already towntold but the person TRing your push on scum is dead?

[Enchant]

It would be against site rules for xyzzy to let you do so after you got dead thread access, because theoretically your decision could have changed because of dead thread info.

Now i can't buy their products!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Korina]

i don't think it's a matter of site rules bingle. this game literally has a role that revives dead players as treestumps

Players aren’t given dead pt if they could be treestumped/possibly continue posting in a game, jsyk.

[DragonEater70]

Players aren’t given dead pt if they could be treestumped/possibly continue posting in a game, jsyk.

Oh really? Didn't know that one.

Also wasn't the whole point of killing Theta to prevent treestumping?
@Mafia can you confirm this?

[Cook]

yes the goal was to stop treestumping

we did some PR magic to try to stop ranger + theta combo too

[Theta Alpine]

depending on who the last scum is i was probably more useful as a cop to be honest than as a tree stumper

[Bingle]

i don't think it's a matter of site rules bingle. this game literally has a role that revives dead players as treestumps

And in order to not break site rules, players were not given access to this thread while it was still possible to reanimate them.

Allowing a dead player to read a dead thread with mod provided setup information and then make game affecting decisions is literally undue mod influence, which is against site rules without specific listmod approval.

[Bingle]

depending on who the last scum is i was probably more useful as a cop to be honest than as a tree stumper

100% accurate.

[Bingle]

Btw, xyzzy, if you want to run another veiled committee game I’d like to volunteer to look over the setup for you. Catching corner case interactions is literally my specialty as a reviewer.

[Cook]

also i'd love to design some roles for a veiled committee

[xyzzy]

absolutely interested in getting designs from people in the future, though tbh I like the fact that I discussed on page 1 that finding weird corner cases only goes so far in this, so I'm less interested in trying to suss out all the corner cases in advance. I've loved the situations in this game where the mechanics have created surprising results that I didn't anticipate and I had to make judgments about what I believe is the most sensible interpretation of the mechanics. wouldn't wanna get rid of that, y'know?

before I run another one of those, I wanna make sure I have the all clear from the list mods for a role format that's cohesive and unified but that provides an ample playground for designers -- this is an extremely mild spoiler, but

there are a couple players who, if they look very closely, will realize that the flavor text on the most recent flip matches their own flavor text, and might plausibly be sample flavor text that I included in the templates I sent to the designers, and that there might be one designer who intentionally left the sample flavor text in their PMs. that being said, as it stands, that's not really a thing they can discuss, even though I'm pretty sure the designer in question left that as an intentional breadcrumb.

I'd like to have a unified template with a fairly basic style guide but otherwise give designers a great deal of freedom to design within that template and then, ideally, get permission to run future games where players have explicit permission to discuss wording in a way that might normally not be allowed.

btw, re:mod influence, as a rule I always answer "yes" to the "this game might have any of these elements" question, which includes mod influence. my last game had a role that more or less said "you can submit whatever night action you want. I'll decide if I think it's fair and potentially tweak it if I think it's too powerful." I conferred with the designer of the treestump role on adding the 24 hour clause to make running a dead thread more straightforward, but in terms of how I submitted it to the queue, strictly speaking I could've just made the choice to let dead players into the dead thread immediately and be extremely lolconsequences about it. that being said I didn't want to do that because, as mentioned awhile back, I like to err on the side of making sure the game isn't bullshit.

[xyzzy]

also here's my terrible idea for a veiled committee upick:

-players send role names
-I randomize a setup and figure out the alignment and role name of each player
-I randomize assignments of role names to the designers and let them know the alignment of each role they're designing
-I randomly insert additional role names with alignments into each assignment (so, like, each designer gets the same number of town and mafia roles in their assignment, but some of them are decoys)
-they design the roles and I find out what the setup is

the big thing to keep in mind here is that I'm then having to wait on a bunch of designers to submit roles between when the game fills and when it can actually start. with a regular upick, you have usually a designer and a reviewer working together in the same document, and you can have a super fast turnaround. having a bunch of designers each working independently introduces so much possible friction to the process. so you gotta make sure the designer group is prepared to act fast from the beginning

[xyzzy]

also I noticed earlier today I'm real close to a post count of 5000. that's fun

[xyzzy]

sadly quadruple posting in a PT does not raise your post count

[DragonEater70]

I noticed that flavor in Enchant's flip, and thought it was intentional, but due to not having it myself I had no way of assuming ithers would have it.

Also, I support the idea of a format where you can discuss role PMs.