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[camelCasedSnivy]

alright, i think im gonna abstain from neighborizing tonight

[Flavor Leaf]

Eh, do it. in case one of us die, it would confirm stuff to others

[geraintm]

What are all the claimed roles in the game?

[geraintm]

Dave - VT
flavour leaf - VT
CAmel - neighboursiser
Me - tracker
klazam - miller
abnegation - VT
Doctor Drew - VT

and dead

Hu toa - mafia role cop
Ame - Doc
Nono - Cop

[camelCasedSnivy]

klazam is a miller?

[geraintm]

viewtopic.php?p=13920259#p13920259

Can't quote it, but he said it there

[camelCasedSnivy]

cop, novice lazy doc, loud tracker, miller, neighborizer

5 town PRs + 5 VTs v 2? scum PRs and a goon

idk i feel like someone is lying

[geraintm]

You think?
I'm off to check on the Miller tonight. We would have to eliminate them before the end of the game anyways

[Flavor Leaf]

Wait.

Snivy having a neighborizer go through on someone and a kill somewhere else clears them bar multitasking.

So yeah, Snivy has to have a target.

[camelCasedSnivy]

thinking of if i should target klazam or someone out of klazam

[Flavor Leaf]

thinking of if i should target klazam or someone out of klazam

Safer to not do the same as Geraint

[Flavor Leaf]

Because if Geraint track clears Klazam and you were neighborizing there and Klazam dies, it doesn’t confirm you as town or as not Multitasking scum.

So 100% always a different target than Geraint.

Probably target someone with a low chance of dying, imo, like Drew, Dave, or Abneg

[Flavor Leaf]

So I really don’t think it’s Snivy, but if I die, and nobody comes into this Neighborhood…then it’s Snivy

I think it’s actually mech impossible unless Multitasking because last scum is roleblocker, and Nono did seem to be roleblocked on Night 2, unless Abnegation is Ascetic?

Actually, @Geraint - do you think you could test if Abnegation is Ascetic?

And then Snivy could bring Klazam, Drew, or Dave in here?

[Flavor Leaf]

Wait, you already did confirm Abneg wasn’t ascetic. That’s good.

It means Nono was 100% roleblocked N2.

And that’s when I got in this thread, so Snivy can only be scum Multitasking Roleblocker Neighborizer, which looks good for Snivy.


As you were, Klazam is a great target for Geraint.

Snivy, get one of the other 3 in here for security, whoever ya want, just not the same target as Geraint

[Flavor Leaf]

@Geraint - Can you confirm when you targeted Abnegation what you received? No Result or Abnegation didn’t go anywhere?

If it is Abnegation didn’t go anywhere, then they are confirmed town because we know Nono got roleblocked Night 2. This is only not true if Abnegation is exactly a Ninja Roleblocker, which I don’t think is likely because they would have made the kill instead of Kitty probably.

I’m thinking they’re just town if you successfully say they didn’t go anywhere, because they seemed to know you targeted them.

[Flavor Leaf]

This game almost always just ends with Drew and Dave chain if Klazam gets cleared, but tracker and cop guilty on Night 1 is a little rough

Sorry for rambles, just thinking

[geraintm]

@Geraint - Can you confirm when you targeted Abnegation what you received? No Result or Abnegation didn’t go anywhere?

If it is Abnegation didn’t go anywhere, then they are confirmed town because we know Nono got roleblocked Night 2. This is only not true if Abnegation is exactly a Ninja Roleblocker, which I don’t think is likely because they would have made the kill instead of Kitty probably.

I’m thinking they’re just town if you successfully say they didn’t go anywhere, because they seemed to know you targeted them.

I was told my target did not go anywhere night two

[Flavor Leaf]

Perfect.

Abnegation can ONLY be scum if Ninja based on the roleblock happening on Nono.

Would prefer someone outside of Klazam/Abnegation be neighborized to test possible Ascetic.

Snivy can only be scum if Multitasking Roleblock Neighborizer.

[camelCasedSnivy]

ok neighborizing dave

[camelCasedSnivy]

i havent really considered a scum FL world in which case this ideal route is broken but im willing to risk it

[Flavor Leaf]

i havent really considered a scum FL world in which case this ideal route is broken but im willing to risk it

In theory, from an outside pov, i should be in the POE still if we weren’t talking about my play.

That’s not for me to discern, but if I had to make a defense on myself,

I feel my Twilight Day 2 helped in hindsight a lot for me, and the fact that Hu Tao and co shut down my slow it down, mass claim talk that would have given us Ame’s target on Day 3.

late game as town is my fave spot of Mafia, and I hope I can help win this.

If I die, it’s probably Drew?

Daves has the scummiest ISO, but I think he’s just been inactive, and I have seen him do that as town many times, however them hopping onto the wagons of Kitty and Nono is their biggest harp.

It makes sense to bus.

However, Drew knows this, and I get why town rush to vote, i did it too.

I don’t have that gut feel on Drew I usually do when they’re town, and I think their tone/headspace is different. I also know them to sit in the back as scum in a rough spot, and hope some kind of chaos happens.

If Klazam is cleared,

I would prefer going Drew->Dave the next two phases. Drew is much slippier than Dave, and I think Drew tactics will show with pressure if they are scum, so like I’m up for changing that in the day phase, and I think we can sit and talk things over rather than rush it out.

Let’s just have a day phase imo, and talk things through.

The possibilities where last scum is one of Geraint/Snivy/Abnegation are scum are very slim, but not impossible, but I think we deal with that when we get there.

Because of this, Abnegation could be a good addition in here, Snivy? But go with your gut who you want in here, im not opposed to having possible scum get added here.

[camelCasedSnivy]

well if youre scum then it doesnt matter which of the 3 i add in here anyway so sure

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll stop rambling eventually

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Both Hu Tao and Drew insta shutting down you light town reading me is pretty rough since it’s now proven Hu Tao did that coming from a scum POV.

Drew has also been rallying me all game.

Honestly, I’d bet the game on DrewScum here. Been looking at Hu Tao ISO, and it just feels odd compared to how Hu Tao talked to other people.

Like Hu Tao wasn’t worried about how Drew read them, but if you look at them to other slots, like Ame specifically, they were working a hard Ame pocket.

This also works double because Ame was hard pushing Drew for a long time, so Hu Tao pocketing Ame protects Drew.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, it’s just Drew. I can give a case, more than I have, but I really think if you just take a look at their ISO, and maybe Hu Tao’s and see how perfectly it fits into the overall play of the team of Drew, Hu Tao, and Kitty.

Mixed in with Hu Tao’s interactions with Drew compared to other people, it looked like they were teammates and trying to mold the game politics to their liking.

Both Hu Tao and Drew sheeped my Leek vote, makes sense. It looks bad on me after Leek flipped Vanilla (I still stand by going after the Vanilla instead of getting more claims in the game in that scenario, going into Night 1 with denied info after having a plethora of interactions throughout the day is almost always beneficial)

Even more weird because Drew and I had a bigger 1v1 earlier that day phase.

Drew sheeped the Kitty bus, which is super key, helped speed both Leek wagon, Nono, and then later Hu Tao wagon up.

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On Dave, I personally think these don’t look like partner interactions:

This one questions Hu Tao, and kinda calls them out but in a very soft way:
viewtopic.php?p=13893054#p13893054

This one calls out Hu Tao for answering a question that was asked for someone else (Snivy), which makes sense with Hu Tao Scum trying to control the game, but a partner usually would just let them cook
viewtopic.php?p=13894403#p13894403


The combination of Dave trying to give their analysis on my slot, and Hu Tao’s response, followed by Dave’s response looks like Hu Tao chopping down Dave more.

viewtopic.php?p=13897738#p13897738

viewtopic.php?p=13897880#p13897880

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And even their intent to vote here and end the day give anti partner associations. You could say that’s why they posted it, but i really don’t think they did. It feels like scum wanted the day to be over and move on.

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I think I’m pretty strongly town reading Dave here after that dive.


Again, SORRY, about my big walls. You just gave me a neighborhood, i blame Snivy.

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, yeah, looked through Klazam’s posts, and I kinda can see town now.

It’s also super weird to claim Miller as scum who knows a Cop is about to go down, and their analysis is actually pretty good. I didn’t read much into it yesterday at the time, but after deep ISO, I think the game really is just done with Drew.

Dave-Kitty interactions aren’t Scum-Scum. Klazam came to the same conclusion from their analysis.

Yeah. This is a good spot.