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Post Post #600 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 12:32 pm

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Who has claimed so far?
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Post Post #601 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 12:38 pm

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Kop’s one post of Day 2 reinforced the idea I should go for Enchant.

@Skellen - both Kop and ND cleared you yesterday and pushed towards an Enchant/RN mindset.

Hmm. I can see worlds where Skellen is scum on a logic/mech side of things, but gut wants to ignore it
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Post Post #602 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 12:38 pm

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In post 600, Random Nurse wrote: Who has claimed so far?
Me and Skellen.
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Post Post #603 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 12:38 pm

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You, Kop, and ND are unclaimed
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Post Post #604 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 12:46 pm

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I am a Town Lazy Roleblocker, and I targeted Skellen on both Nights.
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Post Post #605 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 12:59 pm

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In post 599, Flavor Leaf wrote: I just reread RN’s ISO, and I actually thought it was a lot scummier than it was, but really only the read on THS pinged me, but I can see them doing that as town too, so I don’t think it’s enough for me to really say they’re scum for sure here.
Yeah, that was pretty much the only post that gave me negative vibes as well. Both the handling of THS and starting a half-hearted push on me in less than 24 hours before deadline. To be fair his suspicion of me/ND has been consistent.

Atm I am more leaning on Kop being the scummiest, their catch-up felt pretty agenda-y, like he knew to what to pay attention to.
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Post Post #606 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 1:00 pm

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In post 601, Flavor Leaf wrote: @Skellen - both Kop and ND cleared you yesterday and pushed towards an Enchant/RN mindset.
True, ND left the backdoor open to review on you and me in case of a Enchant town flip though, which makes me a bit paranoid (still mostly because how quick Enchant went through), although her conclusion is legit as well. Don't really think this is scummy in a fency way though.
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Post Post #607 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 1:03 pm

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In post 604, Random Nurse wrote:
I am a Town Lazy Roleblocker, and I targeted Skellen on both Nights.
Now three town prs in a 9p game are unlikely, at least such strong roles. And tbh two protectives as well.

I can get why you targeted me in N1, why me again in N2 though? By you were thinking of solves that all had Kop in it. Why not him in N2?
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Post Post #608 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 1:07 pm

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I don’t like that they claimed to have roleblocked you both nights either :lol:

You were the one that had claimed. Feels safe.

But i don’t actually hate setup of Lazy RB with Doc and Weak FN.

I could have gotten a fake inno/guilty if I were RB’d.

I think scum with a strongman shot is balanced probably against this team.

Considering i could die and if RN is telling the truth, then Lazy gutters him if I get a guilty.

But like a Scum Roleblocker also makes sense against doc and Weak FN.
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Post Post #609 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 1:09 pm

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Idk, i keep going in circles when I try to analyze. It can be any combination of the 3 of them.

Kop just feels the most agenda-based and if you see that from the perspective of them just following ND’s lead, then I think Kop/ND make sense as scum.
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Post Post #610 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 1:11 pm

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I need to feel out the other 2 in their posts
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Post Post #611 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 1:18 pm

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Ugh, everytime I have delved too much into setup spec things went south for me. :lol: I am more leaning on keeping it simple here, that it is as pretty much most 9p setups one with just two town prs. The only flipped role is an ungated Doctor and that is a pretty strong role for itself.
The FN can confirm two townies in best case and the Doc as well with one lucky safe. That's already third of the playerlist in a best case scenario. Add a Roleblocker to it with the right target and I can't even imagine what kind of power scum could possibly wield here.

Not too much of a fan of being the target for both nights either, but I have my thoughts so I would just like to hear.
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Post Post #612 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 1:30 pm

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If scum have a Strong man, Roleblocker would be negative town utility
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Post Post #613 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 1:33 pm

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In post 607, Skellen wrote:
In post 604, Random Nurse wrote:
I am a Town Lazy Roleblocker, and I targeted Skellen on both Nights.
Now three town prs in a 9p game are unlikely, at least such strong roles. And tbh two protectives as well.

I can get why you targeted me in N1, why me again in N2 though? By you were thinking of solves that all had Kop in it. Why not him in N2?

Because my gut tells me you're Scum and I've tried to catch you twice.
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Post Post #615 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 1:40 pm

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I’m worried I’m biasing towards Kop because they’re the one I’ve talked to the least.
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Post Post #616 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 1:55 pm

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In post 584, Flavor Leaf wrote: Time to mass claim.
VT.

RN/Kop is the easy answer if I go off yesterday's POE, little surprised you/Skellen both survived the night though.
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Post Post #617 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:43 pm

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In post 614, Flavor Leaf wrote: Who’s their partner RN?

If I knew do you think I'd be staying quiet about it?

What an unfair question. Hey Flavor, who's Skellen's partner?
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Post Post #618 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:56 pm

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In post 617, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 614, Flavor Leaf wrote: Who’s their partner RN?

If I knew do you think I'd be staying quiet about it?

What an unfair question. Hey Flavor, who's Skellen's partner?
I think me, and maybe you.

Cuz i think Skellen’s town.

But yeah, sorry for assuming you’d play the game and try to analyze in elo
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Post Post #619 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:57 pm

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The question was cheating, how dare i think they could discuss possible partners in 5p Elo

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Post Post #620 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:59 pm

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It looks bad that I'm the last person to claim, but I'm a VT.

Everything may point to me, because I haven't exactly set the world alight in showcasing that I am actually town. But I am town.

I was kinda shocked that Enchant actually flipped town, but maybe I got into the conf bias from FL and not seeing the wood for the trees.

However, with the current claims that have been published, I'm slightly worried about RN claim. You suspect Skellen, surely after the first roleblock you'd look elsewhere? I mean looking through your ISO, you never really pushed Skellen as much as you make out you suspect him.

It doesn't give me confidence after you asking the question who has claimed so far.

So right now, I'm disbelieving your claim, because it's a claim that you can't really back up. And 3 PR's in a small micro, I find that unusual.
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Post Post #621 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:59 pm

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In post 616, Nautical Dawn wrote:
In post 584, Flavor Leaf wrote: Time to mass claim.
VT.

RN/Kop is the easy answer if I go off yesterday's POE, little surprised you/Skellen both survived the night though.
It’s starting to seem that way.

RN feels like salty scum
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Post Post #622 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:03 pm

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I’m happy to go for RN/Kop or RN/ND.

I can’t tell which. Kop pings me more than ND, but I have big paranoia with ND.

Kop/ND going for the win here on RN, but imo, RN town is playing very poorly, so i think it’s just Occam’s Razor scumRN, and Enchant just got in the way of us going there yesterday.

RN gained an attitude out of nowhere starting yesterday, and it feels like salty scum.
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Post Post #623 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:07 pm

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In post 590, Skellen wrote:Funnily I was about to go hard against FL if he would have claimed a pr for reasons above, however his claim is actually... quite good I think. It looks pretty plausible to me and it goes well hand in hand with Kitty reinforcing that he is sheeping FL on Enchant next day. Thinking about it, ironically scum might have interpreted that as Kitty having an inno on FL. That scenario might as well reinforce the plausibility of FL's claim.
That's...very possible.

I've been mulling over FL's claim and I think it'd be pretty difficult to fake.

If FL is scum, the "meow" breadcrumb suggests he'd have chosen KT as his fake target by EoD1, but that doesn't make much sense. KT didn't have a strong read on him D1, so it would be difficult to predict how he'd act D2 and whether it would corroborate the idea that he targeted KT on N1. I skimmed FL's ISO near EoD1 and didn't see any other crumbs, so it doesn't look like there was a backup plan if KT didn't work out.

FL was also reading Kitty as hard town in before Kitty even said anything. If Kitty's D2 were to contradict scum!FL's plan of claiming to FN him N1, he would have to abandon that plan and his Kitty townread might get some suspicion (because now there's no "result" to back it up and the strength of the read is questionable).

Makes more sense that it's just real.
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Post Post #624 (ISO) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:08 pm

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In post 608, Flavor Leaf wrote: I don’t like that they claimed to have roleblocked you both nights either :lol:

You were the one that had claimed. Feels safe.

But i don’t actually hate setup of Lazy RB with Doc and Weak FN.

I could have gotten a fake inno/guilty if I were RB’d.

I think scum with a strongman shot is balanced probably against this team.

Considering i could die and if RN is telling the truth, then Lazy gutters him if I get a guilty.

But like a Scum Roleblocker also makes sense against doc and Weak FN.
I don't see how you get a fake guilty because "getting a guilty" for a weak role is when they die. Fake inno gets disproven pretty easily too by either the roleblocker claiming or your target claiming not to have received your message. I guess scum could try to act like you were/weren't roleblocked if they knew you targeted one of them, but that would require a scum roleblocker.
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