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[Enchant]

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SirCakez
DragonEater70

[DragonEater70]

Thanks Enchant, and sorry for bullying you into opening this

(joke)

, anyway here's what I was thinking:

First of all, Hu Tao suggesting to lim in VS/Infinity is +scum

Second, I think Infinity basically scumslipped by saying there's a confirmed Vortox, and here's why:

if Infinity is town, then Vander is evil and is either minion or demon.
If Anix is evil, evil!Vander must be the demon and CAN'T be Vortox due to town getting correct info. In this world, Piggy and Nurse would both get correct info. But this would mean Vander is exactly a No Dashi that didn't confuse either Piggy or Nurse. But then how did Atsi get a result like that? So Vander MUST be Vortox and Simultaneously CAN'T be Vortox - which confirms AniX is not evil.
If AniX is town, there must be a Vortox, because of the info claimed.

So turns out it wasn't a scumslip after all, it's actually confirmed to be a town!AniX, Vortox!demon world from town!Infinity's viewpoint.

[DragonEater70]

Spoiler: playerlist

1. HighPrincessErinys
2. Infinity324
3. atsi
4. Hu Tao
5. PiggyGal15
6. Vanderscamp
7. AniX
8. Random Nurse

Spoiler: claims

HPE - dead klutz on RN
Infinity - oracle with 1 dead evil, no twin
atsi - 0 weirdness n1, 1 weirdness n2 (this doesn't count artist but does count oracle, juggler, and possibly Hu Tao's role?)
Hu Tao - unclaimed
Piggy - one of the following is correct:

• Infinity324 is No Dashii
  Infinity324 is Vigormortis
  Hu Tao is No Dashii
  AniX is Snake Charmer
  Random Nurse is Artist

Van - oracle with 1 dead evil, infinity is evil twin
AniX - dead Snake Charmer on nobody
RN - guilty on AniX

Spoiler: possible roles

Roles and Role PMs:
All roles are unique.

Spoiler: Possible Townsfolk

Clockmaker

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Clockmaker

At your first night, you learn distance from Demon to nearest Minion in player list. You receive number of players which are needed to be skipped in list (0 means Demon and Minion sit with each other on player list for example).

You win when there's no Demon alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Dreamer

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Dreamer

Each night, choose player (not yourself). You learn 1 Good and 1 Evil role, 1 of which are your Target.

You win when there's no Demon alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Snake Charmer

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Snake Charmer

Each night, choose living player. If it's Demon, swap your alignment and role with them, poisoning them. This ability cancels if target die this night.

You win when there's no Demon alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mathematician

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Mathematician

Each night, learn number of players which abilities worked abnormally due another role ability.

You win when there's no Demon alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Flowergirl

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Flowergirl

Each night, except first, learn if Demon voted for Execution previous day.

You win when there's no Demon alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Crier

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Town Crier

Each night, except first, learn if Minion nominated someone previous day.

You win when there's no Demon alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Oracle

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Oracle

Each night, except first, learn how many dead players are evil.

You win when there's no Demon alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Savant

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Savant

Each day, you may privately ask moderator for knowledge to learn two things in private: 1 is True and 1 is False.

You win when there's no Demon alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Seamstress

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Seamstress

Once per game, at night, choose two players and learn if they are same alignment.

You win when there's no Demon alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Philosopher

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Philosopher

Once per game, at night, choose any Good role. You receive it's ability. If this role is in play, they also become Drunk.

You win when there's no Demon alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Artist

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Artist

Once per game, at day, privately ask moderator any question. You will receive Yes/No/I don't know answer. If question can't be answered in this way, moderator will ask to reformulate question.

You win when there's no Demon alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Juggler

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Juggler

On your first day, publically guess roles of up to 5 players. Next night if you don't die, you learn, how many are correct.
Example of message needed:

My guess: Enchant are Artist!

You win when there's no Demon alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Sage

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Sage

If Demon kills you, you learn two players. One of these are Demon.

You win when there's no Demon alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Spoiler: Possible Outsiders

Mutant

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Mutant

If you are mad about being Outsider, moderator may Execute you. Please refer to "Madness" or ask me to learn how it works.

You win when there's no Demon alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Sweetheart

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Sweetheart

When you die, 1 player is Drunk from now on.

You win when there's no Demon alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Barber

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Barber

If you die, on NIght Demon can choose to swap roles (NOT ALIGNMENTS) of two any players.

You win when there's no Demon alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Klutz

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Klutz

When you learn you are dead, you must announce that you are Klutz and then publically pick other player via

I pick: NAME

. If they are Evil, your team lose. You will have time for discussion (but must be done in 4 days, otherwise it will count as Team Loss)

You win when there's no Demon alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Spoiler: Possible Minions

Evil Twin

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Evil Twin

You and player of other alignment are Twins and learn roles of each other. If Good Aligned Twin Executed, Evil Wins. As long as you both alive, Good can't win.
You are informed that NAME are your Twin, their role are ROLE.

NAME is your Demon.

You win when there's only 2 players alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Witch

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Witch

Each night, choose a player. If they nominate someone, they die instantly. If only 3 players alive, you lose ability.

NAME is your Demon.

You win when there's only 2 players alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Cerenovus

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Cerenovus

Each night, choose a player and Good role. Next day and night, they are mad about being this role, otherwise they may be Executed. Please refer to "Madness" or ask me to learn how it works.

NAME is your Demon.

You win when there's only 2 players alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Pit-Hag

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Pit-Hag

Each night except first, choose a player and any role. If picked role is not in play, target turns in this role (but doesh't change alignment). If Demon created this way, deaths this night are arbitrary.

NAME is your Demon.

You win when there's only 2 players alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Spoiler: Possible Demons

Fang Gu

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Fang Gu

Each night except first, must choose a player. They will die. The first Outsider you try to kill will turn in Evil Fang Gu, and you die instead.
At start of game, game has +1 Outsider in setup (replaces Townsfolk)

Your minion are: NAME
You learn that TOWNSFOLK, TOWNSFOLK and TOWNSFOLK roles are not in game and are free to claim.

You win when there's only 2 players alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Vigormortis

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Vigormortis

Each night except first, must choose a player. They will die. If you kill Minion this way, they keep ability and one of closest Townsfolk to them in playerlist will be Poisoned.
At start of game, game has -1 Outsider in setup (Replaced by Townsfolk)

Your minion are: NAME
You learn that TOWNSFOLK, TOWNSFOLK and TOWNSFOLK roles are not in game and are free to claim.

You win when there's only 2 players alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

No Dashii

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

No Dashii

Each night except first, must choose a player. They will die. Townsfolk closest to you in playerlist are Poisoned.

Your minions are: NAME
You learn that TOWNSFOLK, TOWNSFOLK and TOWNSFOLK roles are not in game and are free to claim.

You win when there's only 2 players alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Vortox

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Vortox

Each night except first, must choose a player. They will die. Townsfolk abilities yield false info. Each day, if no one is executed, Evil wins.

Your minions are: NAME
You learn that TOWNSFOLK, TOWNSFOLK and TOWNSFOLK roles are not in game and are free to claim.

You win when there's only 2 players alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Spoiler: Non Standart Role PMs

Evil Townsfolk:

Dreamer

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Dreamer

Each night, choose player (not yourself). You learn 1 Good and 1 Evil role, 1 of which are your Target.

You win when there's only 2 players alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Good Minion:

Cerenovus

Welcome, PLAYERNAME!

You are a

Cerenovus

Each night, choose a player and Good role. Next day and night, they are mad about being this role, otherwise they may be Executed and day will end. Please refer to "Madness" or ask me to learn how it works.

You win when there's no Demon alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

[Enchant]

Situation of game pretty stupid, but if i bet i probably bet on town win.

[DragonEater70]

In a Vander town world, Infinity is minion and AniX can't be demon due to nightkill still happening, so AniX is conftown.
If AniX is conftown then there are two possibilites:
1. Nurse is town and there's a Vortox
2. Nurse is No Dashi and is poisoning HPE causing the Klutz to be irrelevant. This would explain Piggy's result but not atsi's result so it also can't happen.

So in a town!Vander world, AniX and Nurse are both conftown and there must be a Vortox as well.

[DragonEater70]

Situation of game pretty stupid, but if i bet i probably bet on town win.

Yeah they have a lot of info

[DragonEater70]

Publicly available info:

-There's a Vortox
-AniX is town
-At least one (but maybe possibly both? I haven't looked into it) of Vander/Infinity is scum
-If Vander is town, Nurse is 100% town. If Infinity is town, Nurse is town barring a shenanigan where HPE is lying as town, which I don't think is possible.

[DragonEater70]

if there does have to be a vortox, that means anix is town then right? i don't see why that's not the world we live in

i do think I have to be limmed today cause of Occam's razor, which is a bit frustrating because there's no way to know for sure that vander is lying, but I don't see what else we can do

@random nurse I'm pretty sure barring extreme circumstances anix has to be town

That I don't know.

Is it not possible he could be the Minion and lying?

Maybe one day you will read my posts

I lol'd but this is true. RN said they liked info based setups but they aren't paying attention to the info confirming AniX as town.

[DragonEater70]

How does Savant interact with Vortox?

[DragonEater70]

Btw proud of AniX here bc this is a game that can and should be mechsolved and they're doing a great job at it.

[DragonEater70]

I just realized that if someone claims to have read role PM incorrectly they can confirm Hu Tao as town.

[Enchant]

Savant receives two wrongs with Vortox.

I find Savant to be pretty busted role, and it has same value in original.

It really... demands creativity though.

If you give savant too good info, they just steamroll and if info is useless, then it's very disappointing.


... nevermind mad evil team against savant.



Either way, Role PM considering gamestate is INSANE boost. I even regret making it, as when (or... if) they realise what it means, it can solve at minimum one problem. Or won't.

[Enchant]

EVIL TEAM WANTS TO DO THIS THING.

OH GOD NO.

[DragonEater70]

EVIL TEAM WANTS TO DO THIS THING.

Which thing?

[Enchant]

EVIL TEAM WANTS TO DO THIS THING.

Which thing?

They want to wait until end of deadline and try to tie vote so no execution happen and Vortox forces evil win.

[DragonEater70]

Ohhh

Damn

Is that legal?

[Enchant]

According to rules.

Yes.

[DragonEater70]

Cool, I guess

[Enchant]

Thankfully second evil is probably not here and won't be able to do so.

[DragonEater70]

I haven't done the math but i think there's guaranteed one scum in vander/infinity and also guaranteed one scum in piggy/infinity based on what you said in the spoiler, so if nobody dies it should be a good idea to kill infinity and if somebody dies it should be a good idea to kill vander.

[Enchant]

I haven't done the math but i think there's guaranteed one scum in vander/infinity and also guaranteed one scum in piggy/infinity based on what you said in the spoiler, so if nobody dies it should be a good idea to kill infinity and if somebody dies it should be a good idea to kill vander.

You are correct. But Demon can sink NK in dead player.

[DragonEater70]

Sorry, I did get a 1, when I read the PM I registered it in my head as "this means the demon is dead" and then forgot what the actual number was.
I know that sounds terrible and I might have fucked it but that's what happened

I am speechless

[DragonEater70]

Oh boy. I have a juicy savant today.

1. There is four Townsfolk alive.
2. Atsi and Random Nurse are not aligned

Correct me if I'm wrong but this confirms atsi as good.

[DragonEater70]

Which actually means infinity > vander 100% wins the game.

[Enchant]

Which actually means infinity > vander 100% wins the game.

Sadly not.

Infinity is good twin. Overlooked this part of role PM mentioning Evil Twin (i mean WITH RED LETTERS) and won't bother to recheck even after i gived tips that someone didn't read role PM.

I technically could smite and ask Infinity to check role PM again, but it will inevitably result in confirmation+IT COULD be possible that Infinity trying to troll everyone else.


I may want to contact list mod, but it's for emergency.