Normal Game Changes (New Year 2024 Update)

[ORAM]

I believe it's a push for inclusive language and against 'men are the default' stuff, I'll let someone more eloquent (and more knowledgeable) confirm

[Flavor Leaf]

Mafia Don could be a decent replacement for Godfather.

[Skygazer]

mafia goon with an alibi

[DragonEater70]

I like that name but Idk if it fits in the Normal naming scheme

[usesPython]

Double Agent for Godfather

[Cook]

Double Agent for Godfather

has the same issue as traitor for me — it implies the leader is plotting against the mafia. that falls more under Usurper but regardless

[Cook]

the ideas are appreciated

[Cook]

Mafia Don could be a decent replacement for Godfather.

what about...

Mafia Mastermind

?

[Gamma Emerald]

Mastermind is a EM role that steals the win for itself the scumteam wins

[DragonEater70]

Mastermind is a EM role that steals the win for itself the scumteam wins

It was a pretty bad role TBH. It made mafia anonymous but there were ways to find who the mafia was anyway. I think it was unfun both for Mafia (anonymity and potential for killing each other / having win stolen) and for Village (wtf why do we have 4 maf in a 12 player game?)

[Alianna]

I think Boss and Undercover are the best suggestions if people feel that Godfather needs to be changed.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ve seen Mastermind in a forum setting where it was just an anonymous account that posted to the scum PT

[DkKoba]

i'm against changing it on the basis that its a universally known role with a specific function and yes it is gendered - but its a role disconnected from the identity of the player. creating confusion for newer people to the site for the sake of inclusivity on something that is just a role in a game is meh. its a very ingrained role in mafia history and renaming it doesn't feel right.

if it was some lesser used role like motion detector id probably be on board but idt this role should get touched

[DragonEater70]

Seconded

[Cook]

fair enough! thirded

[TemporalLich]

I think having an official alias for

Godfather

seems to be a good compromise.

The role name is iconic, though

Don

is also a good role name.

As for

Macho

, I'd say

Reckless

should be an official alias but that's only because there seems to be no consensus on a good alternate name for Macho.

[Black]

I kinda like

Stubborn

for Macho. You can try to protect them but they will refuse

I was thinking

Brave

but I feel like it needs a negative connotation since it's a drawback

[TemporalLich]

Stubborn

seems like an okay name... still prefer

Reckless

though.

Brave is what I call the conceptual opposite to Weak, as in a modifier that protects a player that targets a non-town player from kills.

[Gamma Emerald]

I like Reckless or Arrogant for Macho

[RH9]

I think having an official alias for

Godfather

seems to be a good compromise.

The role name is iconic, though

Don

is also a good role name.

As for

Macho

, I'd say

Reckless

should be an official alias but that's only because there seems to be no consensus on a good alternate name for Macho.

I'd agree on having an alias for

Godfather

be a good compromise though I'm still undecided on

Don

, given it seems to be more of an American thing. (Maybe we could go for

Boss

?)

Reckless

, I think, would be a good idea, be it a renaming of

Macho

or just as an alias.

[N]

I think if you're creating a new name for Godfather it should be about the fact that it gives false negatives. Names like Don and Boss don't really make sense; it's not in charge.

[RH9]

I think if you're creating a new name for Godfather it should be about the fact that it gives false negatives. Names like Don and Boss don't really make sense; it's not in charge.

This is a good point.

[TemporalLich]

I think if you're creating a new name for Godfather it should be about the fact that it gives false negatives. Names like Don and Boss don't really make sense; it's not in charge.

Would something like

Covert

or

Discreet

work for that purpose?

[Gamma Emerald]

I like Covert

[Random Nurse]

Just go with "Boss" instead of tip-toeing around the minefield.

Tony Soprano was "The Boss," and that fits just as well.