Toriel's Patience (end)

[Dannflor]

i originally wanted to night kill ydrasse but changed my mind

dunno if things would've turned out differently

[RCEnigma]

oh btw @isis I think I was disrespectful in a couple of my posts in my catchup, I was just shitposting, thanks for hosting
3398 was one of them and I can't find the other but I think there were 2

I was today years old when I learned that was a rule.

[RCEnigma]

Shirou probably still votes implo and I have to get to a point that I suspect the duo of bingle/dann.

Just being able to post back and forth with Ydrasse helped a lot.

[Sakura Hana]

Only thing is that playing scum in this specific setup and with a plist like this felt very stressful, you'll see in the scum PT where i kept rambling a lot when it's eventually released.
I hope we can meet again as town teammates in the future coz i think you all are nice players to play with.

[Dannflor]

yeah i wish i had been awake to like disrupt that somehow, that was a wp moment of town finding each other

i woke up to the hammer

[RCEnigma]

Yeah I’d imagine the idea of mercy wasn’t great for scum wim.

[Sakura Hana]

i originally wanted to night kill ydrasse but changed my mind

dunno if things would've turned out differently

I doubt implo would have enticed RCE to vote him coz implo liked to things slowly.
After i saw the post Shirou made tho, i was starting to feel like Shirou was a better NK, because Ydrasse may have ended up voting town if she didnt get voted herself.

[Sakura Hana]

Yeah I’d imagine the idea of mercy wasn’t great for scum wim.

It wasn't, but i dont like blaming the setup because while it was hard, winning was possible, so i'll just say town just outplayed us instead.

[Dannflor]

I also think there was a window to push the game towards fight that we passed up

[RCEnigma]

Shirou being selfless with that vote was pretty huge.

Tbh a big reason I was willing to blitz it was thinking shirou was scum trying to scare town from throwing a vote down, same with the Sakura wagon.

[RCEnigma]

Fight would have been rough

[Sakura Hana]

I also think there was a window to push the game towards fight that we passed up

As i mentioned in the Dead PT, which you'll eventually see anyway.
The thing is that Mercy felt like a foregone conclusion after the EV posts and it also felt like just looking at the direction of the Hurt tag would get you scumread by the entire playerlist. Just didnt feel worth it to try because then they'd just eliminate everyone that voted hurt until all 3 scum were dead or all the people that voted Hurt were dead.

[Ydrasse]

shirou’s vote gave me the wim i needed tbqh

[Alisae]

Shirou is a big scary evil dragon

[implosion]

oofie owwie my reads :X

gg. i'll have more to say once done with a meeting lol

[Sakura Hana]

So for those wondering, Dann did indeed plan to hammer Bingle Day 6, i made a post trying to propose an alternative to me being spared, but Dann was still planning to hammer although he asked me if i wanted he could wait. I wasn't decided on what i wanted to do yet, i kinda wanted to be spared, but i didnt know if him hammering Bingle at the time would've helped anything.
Later on i see implosion mentioning that if Bingle was hammered and he was NK'd he would vouch for my spare Day 6, and im like "damn we should've hammered".
To top it all off, I started getting scared that if i was alive on Day 7 it would raise a lot of eyebrows and i'm bad at explaining why i could be alive, so I decided to make it important that i was the one spared on Day 6. And i ended up trying to rush my spare.
Bingle's hammer wasn't planned i rushed him to do it, i was scared that Shirou would unvote and everyone's world view would change based off RCE voting me.

[Sakura Hana]

Also for those wondering my weird trajectory with Dann.
A town me would've townread Dann's posts so that's what i was going with, but Dann wanted to crossbus because it would give us a better chance at being spared later down the line.
Which is why you see my weird OMGUS vote on Dann after townreading him hard.

I've never had a team that does this kind of strategizing and so of course it would look unnatural, but somehow people still townread us, which was ???? to me.

[RCEnigma]

Ooo my vote either way probably makes the implo - shirou - Ydrasse triangle stronger.

[RCEnigma]

Also for those wondering my weird trajectory with Dann.
A town me would've townread Dann's posts so that's what i was going with, but Dann wanted to crossbus because it would give us a better chance at being spared later down the line.
Which is why you see my weird OMGUS vote on Dann after townreading him hard.

I've never had a team that does this kind of strategizing and so of course it would look unnatural, but somehow people still townread us, which was ???? to me.

The crossbus was good for obfuscation. Like I brought up dann linking you me and shirou, so there was some kind of precedent to look back and flip perspective. I thought you guys played really well the last couple day phases.

[Sakura Hana]

Either way, im not that good at using that, i trusted my partners to be better skilled at using such precedents to try and gain towncred, but stuff happened too quick.
Maybe having implosion alive to slow things down would've been a good thing.

[Lazy Shirou]

The real

EVIL DRAGON

were the friends we made along the way...

[ssbm_Kyouko]

yeah i wish i had been awake to like disrupt that somehow, that was a wp moment of town finding each other

i woke up to the hammer

I thought something along these lines after I found out you were scum - if you were online that might not have happened

You were convincing

[Lazy Shirou]

i originally wanted to night kill ydrasse but changed my mind

dunno if things would've turned out differently

I think it wouldn't have opened the day with me voting Implo like I did towards Ydrasse, I was more unsure there, but I didn't want to vote either RCE/Bingle for the quick wagon yesterday and I was scum reading you quite a lot for the "RCE/Shirou team trying to soft spare each other" when I spent a lot of time being very opposed to RCE in the past days, it didn't feel like a real thought

so in the end from my part at least I would have likely voted Implo anyway, but who knows, paranoia could have made me act unwisely

[implosion]

Scum played damn well. I think surely there's some lesson here where in this setup, on average the people who have been by and large towniest in the eyes of the town all game are likely to be the scum once you hit roughly final 7. It's a phenomenon in most games to be sure but it's extremely more so in this setup with spares, because both spares and nightkills are going to be targeting the obvious-townies who are actually town, and people aren't perfect at sorting, so inevitably some scum will have been largely called town all game and they'll still be alive. It might be +winrate to just literally invert your reads at the start of day six. Like, day six the viable spare candidates were precisely the scumteam.

[Alisae]

The real

EVIL DRAGON

were the friends we made along the way...

do u know what this is from i'm curious if you know or not what half of what you post comes from (I know I'm testing you)