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Post Post #1575 (ISO) » Tue Dec 26, 2023 12:11 pm

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Post Post #1576 (ISO) » Tue Dec 26, 2023 12:13 pm

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In post 1574, shiki wrote:
In post 1573, shiki wrote: though i do wanna look at fireisredsir/aristeia interactions again in a bit as i was pretty tired by the time i got to them last night

okay there's maybe some amount of, convenience with the voting and wagons while fireisredsir is somewhat consistently stating a scumread of aristeia, or like, a lack of overlap not really acting on that scumread, idk, otherwise just the aforementioned section really stands out

would maybe believe in fireisredsir/aristeia over meuh i guess
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Post Post #1577 (ISO) » Tue Dec 26, 2023 12:13 pm

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votes make more sense that way at the very least
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Post Post #1578 (ISO) » Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:14 pm

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hello, sorry, ill probably be up for talking in a day or two if you all don't mind taking the day a bit slow
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Post Post #1579 (ISO) » Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:22 pm

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(5) - Dannflor, Afrayed Knott, fireisredsir, shiki, Meuh

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Post Post #1580 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:40 am

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Ok let’s look at the wallpaper interaction, after the apology, which I didn’t get from Ari by the way, was there further heat between the two of them, Ari & Fire. Or did it subside? I think it subsided into what you have said.

With regard to Ari and Meuh, yes I noticed that there is not a lot of interaction, and to me that would say there might be some distancing going on.

I’d go as far to say that both Fire and i were consistent with our read on Ari, the one person who was not was Meuh.
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Post Post #1581 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:48 am

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In post 1580, Afrayed Knott wrote: Ok let’s look at the wallpaper interaction, after the apology, which I didn’t get from Ari by the way, was there further heat between the two of them, Ari & Fire. Or did it subside? I think it subsided into what you have said.

With regard to Ari and Meuh, yes I noticed that there is not a lot of interaction, and to me that would say there might be some distancing going on.

I’d go as far to say that both Fire and i were consistent with our read on Ari, the one person who was not was Meuh.

? well fireisredsir apologized for the implying that aristeia plays scum like wallpaper even though that's a pretty non-generous reading of it thus what i said before just doesn't seem super likely for a partner to read the statement - more or less townreading aristeia for actively pushing the game (by pushing you) - that way to me

there wasn't ever really heat between the two of them; fireisredsir kinda repeats a scumread of aristeia while moving between aristeia and elements at a few points but there isn't any point at which fireisredsir is really actively pushing for aristeia to be eliminated

sure in a vacuum i'd say not interacting with someone is ever so slightly +partner like i said before but all of the players involved there know this - aristeia knows and was perhaps choosing not to do so intentionally, meuh knows, so it's like, possibly an oversight sure? but not something i would put particularly much weight on in this situation

but were either of you actually trying particularly hard to eliminate aristeia? like show me where that was if so but if it's there i missed it completely

like there isn't really any reason for anyone to take 'well i scumread aristeia!!' as a reason for someone not to be partnered with aristeia, right?
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Post Post #1582 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:49 am

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In post 1580, Afrayed Knott wrote: I’d go as far to say that both Fire and i were consistent with our read on Ari, the one person who was not was Meuh.

also i'm confused by this because fireisredsir definitely moved from townreading aristeia to scumreading aristeia throughout the day
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Post Post #1583 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:50 am

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(which sure so did i not condemning that in anyway just saying i don't understand what you mean by consistent here)
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Post Post #1584 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:54 am

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In post 1580, Afrayed Knott wrote: I’d go as far to say that both Fire and i were consistent with our read on Ari, the one person who was not was Meuh.

and you scumread aristeia and then moved completely to pushing me as an elements partner?
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Post Post #1585 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:04 am

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Hello hello holidays busy I will be here soon
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Post Post #1586 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:05 am

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Still town btw
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Post Post #1587 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:14 am

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In post 1584, shiki wrote:
In post 1580, Afrayed Knott wrote: I’d go as far to say that both Fire and i were consistent with our read on Ari, the one person who was not was Meuh.

and you scumread aristeia and then moved completely to pushing me as an elements partner?

She remained a scum read, and it would seem that most had similar thoughts through d1. Yes I moved my vote to you as I had strong thoughts you were scum. Still have that thought to be frank, but of course the earlier through I had that Elements was your partner is no longer true. But I had this playing in the back of my mind at the time also.
In post 408, Afrayed Knott wrote: So I do have a few reads,

Oppsie and Ydr are town right now based off of feel and their post content.

Black based on Projects reaction to his fake lim is town, and I like her content also so far

I'm null on most others but feel scum is in and around Dann/ Ari / Elements.

Your interchange with Elements seemed in some extent performative, as I said that it was contrived by a partnership and played out in thread. just seemed off. Of course that partnership is not there, but it doesn’t exonerate you in my mind in anyway. But I think I need to consider my initial thoughts on Black also. I need to look at her interaction with Ari. Which I am going to do later.
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Post Post #1588 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:22 am

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In post 1587, Afrayed Knott wrote: Your interchange with Elements seemed in some extent performative, as I said that it was contrived by a partnership and played out in thread. just seemed off. Of course that partnership is not there, but it doesn’t exonerate you in my mind in anyway. But I think I need to consider my initial thoughts on Black also. I need to look at her interaction with Ari. Which I am going to do later.

okay but why does performative = scum to you? tried asking you this before and am still quite curious
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Post Post #1589 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:26 am

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also curious what would exonerate me in your mind because i would be happy to try that
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Post Post #1590 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 12:22 pm

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In post 1588, shiki wrote:
In post 1587, Afrayed Knott wrote: Your interchange with Elements seemed in some extent performative, as I said that it was contrived by a partnership and played out in thread. just seemed off. Of course that partnership is not there, but it doesn’t exonerate you in my mind in anyway. But I think I need to consider my initial thoughts on Black also. I need to look at her interaction with Ari. Which I am going to do later.

okay but why does performative = scum to you? tried asking you this before and am still quite curious

Performative as in, it was contrived by you and elements. I was suggesting at the time that you both had agreed to attack engage each other in the thread to distance yourselves from each other. but as I have said that's not the case and so that is now moot.
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Post Post #1591 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 12:22 pm

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In post 1589, shiki wrote: also curious what would exonerate me in your mind because i would be happy to try that

Prove to me you are town. Which to be honest I hope you are and are not playing a great scum game.
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Post Post #1592 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:23 pm

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Post Post #1593 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:35 pm

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Black never really engaged with Ari except for these posts
In post 559, Black wrote:
In post 555, Aristeia wrote: lets say you're right though fire

who is the mafia in the big group then?
He went over this in
In post 566, Black wrote: Ari is either town or she's scum with Daisy imo
In post 636, Black wrote:
In post 621, Aristeia wrote:
In post 605, Dannflor wrote: ari, idk, feels like she’s scumreading me because she wants to or needs to take that position
like why does scum!me even want to or need to take a position where i'm pushing you

explain how that even makes sense for me to do
I don't really think you're scum but I don't understand this logic

A) pushing him allows you to say exactly this, "why would I do this as scum?"
B) you need to cast doubt on people in the big hood not named [insert your scum buddy's name here]
C) you are scum with Dannflor and this is some theatre to distance

Lowkey worried about C but I'm townreading you both individually so I think I can worry about that later
I’m not sure but it seems pretty weak form my POV. Almost like she was tentatively keeping away from engaging with Black.


Why would that be, firstly from a scum POV then a Town POV?
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Post Post #1594 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:37 pm

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EBWOP “From engaging with Ari”
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Post Post #1595 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:03 pm

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In post 1591, Afrayed Knott wrote:
In post 1589, shiki wrote: also curious what would exonerate me in your mind because i would be happy to try that

Prove to me you are town. Which to be honest I hope you are and are not playing a great scum game.

eh if i were a scums here i do not think i would be playing a great or even a good game from my seat

like could have limped to day one elimination on meuh or oopsiedaisy then caught up fully at the end of the night and used that and outcome of wagon to then push for elimination (probably elements?) and then play for win here day three so if i were a scums it would be like, decided it was better to sacrifice partner who i also didn't really bother distancing from? which just seems bad yeah

anyway how would you like me to prove that i am town though? like i feel like i am pretty transparent about what i'm thinking or doing at any given time (sometimes to town's detriment as ydrasse pointed out at the end of day one - sorry again would be nice if had more info re:meuh here yeah) but i'm willing to walk you through any posts i've made or anything everyone solving from my point of view more likely to result in a town win ya know
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Post Post #1596 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:04 pm

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In post 1592, Afrayed Knott wrote: VOTE: Meuh
has felt like you wanted to fold this hand for a while just can't figure out if because you were unsure or because position pretty doomed
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Post Post #1597 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:09 pm

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In post 1593, Afrayed Knott wrote: I’m not sure but it seems pretty weak form my POV. Almost like she was tentatively keeping away from engaging with Black.


Why would that be, firstly from a scum POV then a Town POV?

looking at it there are a few more posts than that that weren't quotes or anything because in real time but not particularly much

i assume it's simply because aristeia and black were only both active during a couple windows and black was townreading aristeia so less reason for her to engage aristeia at length and! no reason for aristeia to really engage black because then more chance for her to see she wasn't town with little benefit as she was already townreading her

not going to go much into the possible scum pov because i know she wasn't (though it'd likely be very simply they did not see a beneficial opportunity to do so in the limited time black was here)
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Post Post #1598 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:25 pm

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In post 1596, shiki wrote:
In post 1592, Afrayed Knott wrote: VOTE: Meuh
has felt like you wanted to fold this hand for a while just can't figure out if because you were unsure or because position pretty doomed

so hard to see process

like if you're town then my worry is that you're miseliminated or misvote me at some point thus my approach here

if you're a scums the worry is that you aren't eliminated - like the path for scum!you to get me eliminated here pretty unlikely i think
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