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I don't have aIn post 1515, Klick wrote: Actually no, thinking on it more, I think considering the context of this specific game I'd rather have discussion today because I think we can reach 3 town with a high degree of confidence.
Would still like T3's thoughts before any of that thoughstrongpreference between the options. I think the gamestate if T3 flips town without discussion is probably above average in terms of ambiguity in who scum ought to kill, sort of no matter who scum is, which is why I think low discussion could be valuable. The main thing we lose out on in that scenario is thoughts/discussion from whoever gets NKed, which could be more valuable in this game than the average game since you/me/DV are all pretty analytic types to some extent. And I guess people taking committal stances today that can be analyzed tomorrow but eh, that's the whole point.
Getting T3's thoughts is definitely good either way and if T3 does flip scum then it's all moot. I am also curious of T3's thoughts on Appearance, mostly if he's PoEing Appearance off of primarily the gob nk or also on play. He might have already said previously but I'm too lazy to go look right now.-
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also going to check for klick's final reads.-
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implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
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I should have time/energy tomorrow to do stuff.
DV, why the hammer on T3 with multiple open questions to him?-
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I thought he was scum, and I didn't have much personal interest in his responses because it was from a viewpoint of me being scum, which I felt should have been fairly obviously not the case.-
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I'm a bit more conflicted than I thought I would be. Every fibre of my being is screaming that implo is scum (which I've sort of thought the whole game but I let myself get distracted). It also really felt to me like Kyouko wasfightingthat coalition and succeeded in drumming up enough paranoia of me to get me ousted from it. Why the fight if she/firered was scum with Appearance who was already on the prevailing coalition?
On the other hand though, there's a reason why I wanted to eliminate Appearance instead of Ydrasse/Dunnstral, and with fire being scum, the gob kill unfortunately does not clear Appearance to the same degree as it did for me before. Reading through Appearance's ISO, I guess itfeelsscummy, but idk I still think it's implo. Maybe I just want to think it's implo. I will sort this out at some point.
Lastly, I had a dream that DragonEater was scum. Sadly, this was not helpful.-
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i'm also going to reread implo's last coalition game.-
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My first instinct here is that Appearance is scum. I have to temper it some because there's a degree of I just don't want to lose to Appearance if he is scum here but I still have never found much that he's done townish. The gob kill was the really only thing I was clearing him off of and fire flipping scum does mitigate it somewhat particularly since it's possible that fire picked the kill and Appearance was just sort of along for the ride.
kyouko's play is less interesting for me since I know I'm town but there's still differences between how DV and Appearance d1 that are relevant. Joint ISOing kyouko + dragon (since Dragon was leading the rhetoric for what it seemed like the coalition would be, though this isn't a perfect science and I'm leaving out many details): Dragon gave his first long-standing "solve" in 133 (containing DV and Appearance) and kyouko still doesn't really do stuff for a while. Dragon later unheals Appearance and, in chatting with Klick, floats an option that is 4 flipped town + DV. Shortly after that Dragon expresses some paranoia about DV and then heals Appearance, presumably in response to the prior post Appearance made, bringing him back to the first solve. Throughout all of this kyouko mostly isn't posting, eventually she makes 360 shading DV which is interesting. The next post, Dragon unheals Klick+DV based on paranoia that I am scum and that if I am scum that one of them is my partner (and he also says that if I'm town he still thinks there's scum in the coalition). He then immediately heals kyouko quoting post 360. Before kyouko ever posts again, he makes 432 going back to the coalition from 133 that he had supposedly paranoiad off of because of thinking about me. And *that* is the moment that kyouko starts to come alive in the thread.
This all kind of reads to me like kyouko just didn't have time/energy before and now she did; the dominant thread narrative had been what it was for a while. She may not have even been trying to get on the coalition; in 447 where she heals herself + 3 town, and says that she'd like the fifth to be T3 or Appearance, I think it's entirely possible that she just doesn't actually think what she's doing is a politically viable coalition, but she's saying it because she generally needs to do shit at some point to look town. She says she wants me/DV/Klick off coalition because she thinks that list contains 2 scum. That line does make a lot of sense with DV scum at a base level but I think it makes even more sense as scum who already has a scumbuddy in the leading coalition (whoever it is), who is mostly trying to muddle things, and who included Appearance-scumbuddy as a possible 5th so as to hedge on whether or not to include a scumbuddy. I'm trying to get in her headspace to some degree but I started writing this like two hours ago and then had to go to a meeting and so my train of thought is kind of derailed and now I'm heading out again soon but will probably say more later today
In essence, I think kyouko fought the status quo because, well, why not fight the status quo there as scum. The status quo was sort of muddled but it had been that coalition for quite a while earlier; I think kyouko just had a surge of will to play the game and rode that, possibly off the back of Dragon liking post 360, because anything scum can do to obfuscate things in that phase is good for them. I kind of think kyouko might not have even wanted anything she was saying to be listened to in the ideal case but she still found it worth saying, if that makes sense.-
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because you seem pretty confident yet you're not voting me.-
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Meanwhile, a question for you, Appearance. Is there a reason why you have been cagey regarding your opinions during this day?-
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i don't really have any strong opinions rn so i've been holding off giving opinions until i can form something that actually contributes to the game.In post 1544, DeasVail wrote: Meanwhile, a question for you, Appearance. Is there a reason why you have been cagey regarding your opinions during this day?-
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Not. The above post was one thing that I was stream of consciousness ISO-ing. It's not my full thoughts on both of you.In post 1542, Appearance wrote: implo, how sold are you on me being scum?
Your play frustrates me because in the early game, I found your ISO inscrutable, not through any fault of your own if you're town. And since the early game, you've given ostensibly nothing readable. I rely on recalibrating across days in general because my d1 reads are usually pretty bad and I feel like you haven't given anything to work with; it's frustrating because I think it is possible for you to have the ISO that you do as town but it feels like it's impossible for me to find if that's the case. And if you're scum it's not like I'm learning anything interesting from this game, I guess I'd be learning to not use NK speculation as a stopgap.
I was thinking yesterday that you were likely scum if T3 were to flip town, which is why I wanted to know why T3 thought you were PoE-able, but then DV hammered. Dragon mentioned finding your ISO town but I remember having no idea why he'd think that. And now you coming into the day saying you're going to read a bunch of stuff, and then turning around and trying to suss out exactly where I stand before committing to where you stand, sits very wrong. I also have no idea why you'd expect me to vote you within like 24 hours of the final day opening. That's something I'd do almost never as any alignment in any final 3.
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i will confess that i did end up not actually doing any rereading due to rl being more busy than intended.-
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what should we do now?
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VOTE: Implosion
There!
I did it.
I’m sorry if this isn’t right. With Appearance there is a certain amount of… unawareness to the extent that I’m not actually sure he can be scum? But I just don’t know… but what I do know is that it’s looking like I’m not really going to have any more information than what I have now.
Aah!
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