Open 901 - Normal Idea Mafia Redux - Postgame

[Alianna]

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Save The Dragons (E-2): Argonauts
Argonauts (E-2): Save The Dragons

Not Voting (3): Jake The Wolfie, DragonEater70, shaddowez

With 5 players alive, it takes 3 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-02-17 20:06:15).

[shaddowez]

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Votecount 4.02

Save The Dragons (E-2): Argonauts
Argonauts (E-2): Save The Dragons

Not Voting (3): Jake The Wolfie, DragonEater70, shaddowez

With 5 players alive, it takes 3 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-02-17 20:06:15).

Though if it's Argo/StD then I am not really sure ehy they decided to crossvote now unless they're hoping to get towncred from bussing, which I guess makes a tiny bit of sense? But it does feel off

Considering this is ELO, this doesn't make sense. With 2 scum left they can force an elim on town which is a guaranteed win.

[shaddowez]

I'm also finding it curious that nobody asked me about my reads

So based on that last post and this, do you think Jake is scum? Because that's the only other scenario that works if you're not (coming from my POV, of course).

[shaddowez]

Considering this is ELO, this doesn't make sense. With 2 scum left they can force an elim on town which is a guaranteed win.

Also, based on this and the fact that everybody's posted since Argo voted for StD makes me really think that it's StD+1, otherwise both scum could've joined Argo and won.

[shaddowez]

Considering this is ELO, this doesn't make sense. With 2 scum left they can force an elim on town which is a guaranteed win.

Also, based on this and the fact that everybody's posted since Argo voted for StD makes me really think that it's StD+1, otherwise both scum could've joined Argo and won.

Unless it's Argo....ugh. Now I'm doubting myself.

[DragonEater70]

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Votecount 4.02

Save The Dragons (E-2): Argonauts
Argonauts (E-2): Save The Dragons

Not Voting (3): Jake The Wolfie, DragonEater70, shaddowez

With 5 players alive, it takes 3 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-02-17 20:06:15).

Though if it's Argo/StD then I am not really sure ehy they decided to crossvote now unless they're hoping to get towncred from bussing, which I guess makes a tiny bit of sense? But it does feel off

Considering this is ELO, this doesn't make sense. With 2 scum left they can force an elim on town which is a guaranteed win.

Scum can't force an elim on town in ELo

[shaddowez]

Scum can't force an elim on town in ELo

If you and Argo are both town, both scum could vote you and win.

[DragonEater70]

Scum can't force an elim on town in ELo

If you and Argo are both town, both scum could vote you and win.

But nobody is voting me?

[DragonEater70]

Are you confusing me with Save the Dragons?

[shaddowez]

P-Edit

: Yeah, just realized I was doing that, fixing it in this post.

Scum can't force an elim on town in ELo

If StD and Argo are both town, both scum could vote [redacted] and win.

The same goes for both "wagons" right now. And since I know that I'm town, that would mean that you and Jake would both have to be scum in order for StD and Argo to both be town.

[DragonEater70]

Yeah I am not saying they are both town. I'm like 90% sure Progon is scum but I'm just not sure if Argon is the partner or not.

[Jake The Wolfie]

From my perspective:

I'm town, because Alianna gave me the role pm of a townie.
Shadez is town, due to Jackson voting for them yesterday. It would be highly unlikely that Jackson would willingly axe one of his partners given that many other town wagons were also formed on that day and that the mafia were in an excellent spot yesterday.
Progon is Wolf, not only because

of their star fox pfp

of my result on them, but also because of the restrospective investigation into their behaviour.

Putting all of this together, this means that one of Argon / Neugon is the last wolf, and today will likely be my last day in figuring out who it is.

[Argonauts]

Orpheus exists in his own world, and the dragons are both scum.

VOTE: Save the Dragons

"could you have been roleblocked", lol

Why am I scum

PoE, wagon position, and a lousy start to the day basically

Like, I'm not vibing with the way Jake is acting as if your slot and ours are roughly the same likelihood to be the last mafia, it feels like trying to keep options open rather than sensible. Accusing me of trying to shift to you because of his crumbing is a very messed up way of thinking. There was literally

4

flips to get information from so it'd be weird if suspicions didn't shift at all. Your slot sat on shaddowez, whom Jake now views as clear, for a large part of the game; while I actually pressured and tried to get nearly confScum Dragons and the traitor flipped yesterday. So I sure am not seeing where Jake's head is at, it doesn't feel good faith at all. But given the claim that's a problem I might not even have to deal with tomorrow.

[Argonauts]

Like, Jake is sussing me for reacting to the information in basically the same damn way as him: shaddowez is likely town, Dragons is scum, that leaves DE and Jake (since unlike him I don't have Jake's role PM). It's weeeeeeeird.

-Atalanta

[Argonauts]

BTW Jake, why did you choose to target Save the Dragons?

-Atalanta

[DragonEater70]

Wait, why are you saying Dragons is *nearly* confScum? Isn't he confscum fypov?

Or do you mean he was nearly confScum last day phase?

[DragonEater70]

Also I think I'm just gonna vote him, he hasn't posted in over 24 hours and it feels like he's a caught wolf who doesn't know what to do.

VOTE: StD

[Argonauts]

In a multi-scum ELO they would probably want to coordinate to quickhammer so there's still typically room for slight doubt when pairs of people aren't posting right at the same time. Some scum partners might need significant time to be able to coordinate a time to be around together. Or if that's too hard they could just meander in and drop a vote whenever like you're doing, and hope it doesn't spook the town into unvoting in the meantime.

-Atalanta

[Jake The Wolfie]

Shadez, if you feel like you want to end the day you can.

I can't control your action or how you use it, and suggesting anything is risky. Do what you think is best.

I think that Argon here is suspicious, trying to cast shade on me and putting my credibility into question. If I were alive tomorrow, I would almost certainly axe them.

[Argonauts]

Jake, you are totally unhelpful.

-Atalanta

[Argonauts]

If you don't actually want to talk about anything, why haven't you even voted yet? I actually had just looked back at your ISO and saw that you'd had suspicion of Save the Dragons earlier so I guess he makes a reasonable amount of sense as a target choice. And then whenever I try to convince myself that you're on the level like that you go and act like this and piss it away again.

-Atalanta

[Jake The Wolfie]

BTW Jake, why did you choose to target Save the Dragons?

-Atalanta

So, going back to EoD3, I had recently announce my final solve of Black/Argon/Shadez. Unlike Jackson, I do not believe in investigating who you think is already guilty, instead I believe in clearing ambiguity. For this reason, I didn't want to investigate those three.
Now, because I thought I had a solve, I decided to look for an SK. Out of all of the living players, I didn't want to check the majority of them. I didn't wish to check Black/Argon/Shadez for the reasons stated above. I also didn't want to check Cakez because I would have expected my action to fail, with them being an outed and obvious Ascetic. I also didn't want to investigate Jackson, whom I thought was town. This lead me to the only two options left, Luca and Progon. I decided Progon over Lucca mostly arbitrarily.

[Argonauts]

Shadez, if you feel like you want to end the day you can.

I can't control your action or how you use it, and suggesting anything is risky. Do what you think is best.

I think that Argon here is suspicious, trying to cast shade on me and putting my credibility into question. If I were alive tomorrow, I would almost certainly axe them.

if we live to tomorrow, we'll be voting you too so don't be worried.
~o

[Argonauts]

or we can compromise on dragoneater because i'd be happier knowing my reads weren't trash this game.
and there's still a part of me that thinks that we're both town who need to find each other.
~o

[Argonauts]

anyways i'm back.
~o