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[JacksonVirgo]

[Aureal]

It'll be far from the first elo we lost because town couldn't find me, but at least I can understand somewhat given the situation- you actually tried here. The last few have been particularly bitter for me.

[Aureal]

So, thanks for that at least

Last time, even my buddy Black wouldn't give me the time of day in elo. After I fucking obvtowned too. As if the person who hasn't had a proper wolf PM in 17 years is someone to be paranoid about.

[JacksonVirgo]

I feel a little uncomfortable voting either of you which is unfortunate, I did have doubts regarding Enchant's claim and you seemed to put that into words which is making me doubt it even more, but at the same time I don't think Enchant votes like this as a wolf so that's pulling me in two different ways. In regards to FL's slot I believe they tried sowing doubt yesterday and I think that's also possibly conf-biasing me into a hole but I think enchant looks pretty good at the end of that. Your behaviour surrounding Enchant voting you (and thus clearing me as town) you continued your same behaviour, you didn't shift it up and you responded to me the same as when you thought I was a wolf, well you did shift from more pushing things you found scummy to explaining yourself but the vibe remained the exact same which is tripping me up because on one hand I think that's townie because it's consistent behaviour but on the other hand is the consistency because you knew I was town the whole time? I don't really know how to formulate my thoughts properly

[Aureal]

Oh I don't think there's any doubt Leaf was trying to sow doubt!

What exactly are you referring to in regards to him and Enchant? I recall him saying Enchant is obvtown, after the rest of us townread him. Seems like a pretty safe thing to say about a partner who's universally townread.

[JacksonVirgo]

That's the exact moment I am thinking of yeah, but I don't agree with your conclusion about it. I feel them saying that in the moment is a good way to try and knock them down moreso than anything else

[Aureal]

I literally can't parse what you're saying when all pronouns are neutral

Leaf saying that sounds like a good way to try to knock down Enchant, I guess?

[JacksonVirgo]

Correct

[Aureal]

Yeah I really just disagree if that's the case, I don't see any need for Leaf to rock the boat his partner is on there. Going against consensus is just asking for someone to maybe care about what he says, and then he has to actually give reasoning, which people can better use to gauge what his intent truly is. Remember we did think about wagoning Enchant a little earlier, it might not have seemed that implausible town would go back to that idea.

[Aureal]

Like, at that point I was basically just ignoring what Leaf said. Saying something different than what everyone else is saying just calls attention to it. Attention was already where they wanted it, on Drew and I.

[Aureal]

I wish I knew how to explain better, too

It's just so much easier from my perspective, where I know for sure that what Leaf was

doing

(pressuring me with a vote) was where the intent should be viewed, rather than what he was

saying

I feel like I do better at solving when I keep in mind the advice to look for what Mafia actually

do

rather than what it

feels

like they should do. And voting me there was definitely a big +wincon for Leaf, while his words are just garbage.

[JacksonVirgo]

It's just so much easier from my perspective, where I know for sure that what Leaf was doing (pressuring me with a vote) was where the intent should be viewed, rather than what he was saying

I am not looking at what he was saying directly

[JacksonVirgo]

The literal only thing stopping me from voting is that I have trouble shifting off my reads, two games just closed fucked me over with that

[JacksonVirgo]

Lol, I should commit and make it three

[Aureal]

Hmmm, I been looking into Enchant and what you said about him voting first

viewtopic.php?p=13670551#p13670551

Here's scum Enchant getting Firebringer to townread him by voting quickly. Obviously plenty of differences in the situation but I think it shows he's not necessarily going to hang back as scum and wait

[Aureal]

It's just so much easier from my perspective, where I know for sure that what Leaf was doing (pressuring me with a vote) was where the intent should be viewed, rather than what he was saying

I am not looking at what he was saying directly

And I'm really not sure what that means

[JacksonVirgo]

I was literally just about to vote you, and now I feel bad cuz you're putting a lot of effort in

[Aureal]

Kinda the opposite of Leaf, huh? Kinda frustrates me that I've been made to look so very partnered with that performance. Like I would ever have been cool with my partner just going yolo-meme mode x_x

[JacksonVirgo]

Here's scum Enchant getting Firebringer to townread him by voting quickly. Obviously plenty of differences in the situation but I think it shows he's not necessarily going to hang back as scum and wait

Hm, thank you for bringing this to my attention. There's a few things that I'm not able to shake and I'm not sure if they mean anything but I can't unsee FL "townlocking" enchant as something that makes enchant townier. There's also the progression surrounding the scum-reading you but pretending to scum-read me, the consistency in their behaviour specifically the mass-claim order where they put you first (I did think that was weird at first). My boy drew town-read Enchant and that's 2 out of the 3 town that had that conclusion D1 (we could be wrong but it is keeping me here somewhat). I'm getting feelings that you're trying to knock out my reads by swiping my leg moreso than anything else. The "AtE", if you can call it that, you have been saying has been really affecting me and it's painful to try and see if that was genuine or not.

I am worried that because I've been busy that I've been looking at this game with a pretty shallow lens and I'm trying to compensate for that but I'm not sure exactly how

[JacksonVirgo]

I can't shake it, I'm sorry

VOTE: Aureal

[Aureal]

Well yeah I'm trying to knock out your reads, they're wrong and I need to try to show you that or we're gonna lose and I'm getting rather tired of losing. Most of my recent games have been rough and I'm itching for a win finally. Though I'm half asleep by now so I'm probably not gonna be able to keep it up x_x

Sorry it's hard on you to figure out

I don't see the big deal about Enchant's massclaim thing, it's something that's easy enough to set up. He knew we were both gonna have fruit, it's just a self-contained show of doing something that he knows isn't going to go anywhere. Really not a hard 'trap' to plan and be consistent about.

Really still can't understand why one particular thing Leaf said is standing out to you as meaningful, it's all just garbage in garbage out to me. He threw out reads on anyone and everyone with no rhyme or reason. I wouldn't be surprised if he just flipped coins for a lot of them to tell him what his read supposedly was.

Pedit: okay, fine, totally expected

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