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I worry because I don't actually know their alignment and am just making a day 1 read on them. At anytime I'm with holding information about why that player might be scum. They quoted hu tao who had a great post about being cop and latched onto it. I thought that was very suspect but also marginal enough to not want to mention it. In the post above I am more confident of hu tao being town than I am black.In post 2971, ketchup777 wrote:
in 2795 you thought Black was town tho, so why worry?In post 2605, Political Clout wrote: I'll tell you what I'm worried about that black and hu tao are distancing and that you aren't entertaining universes where I'm town and that we might lose because of today. I am also worried that if I'm alive then we lose the game because of ketchup who has it in his mind I'm scum because reasons. so it might be in our best interest to launch me. I hate being launched though. this would presuppose that you're town. although I am using last game heavily to influence that thought. maybe I should just 1v1 you. I think I am pretty sincere and towny. you would have ketchup on your side. then it would just mean I have to convince everyone else. let me think about it more.
3 minutes after saying you thought I was 'independently towny'? and you go to wanting to flip me? bro?In post 2775, Political Clout wrote: I think I'm changing my mind I'm okay with flipping ketchup actually.
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I think we lose the game if ketchup is still alive and we're wrong on enchant we should vote out python today I think we hit scum with python. They had to kill drew as it makes the most sense for them as mafia since they were basically clearing them mechanically? setup wise? idk.In post 2984, Hu Tao wrote: I'll hammer to advance but I still think it's enchant or pythonYa basic!- Political Clout
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I was asking because in my world view python is scum I am inviting the possibility for error into my read and saying well you tell me what you are seeing that makes python town. This is a collaborative game.In post 2966, ketchup777 wrote:black didn’t answer this I don’t think. Could be PC trying to healthily push against his scum buddy but Black didn’t have a great answer so tried to get him to back off in the scum chat. I feel Black would make more of an effort to answer townpeople’s questions to avoid suspicion
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ranger was always going to be killed since they were basically clear.In post 2968, ketchup777 wrote: maybe warming to Enchant as scum!Enchant had to think Ranger was a good night kill option.
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Yeah. It shows I'm town as far as I'm concerned. We can't be a god of mafia like you ketchup.In post 2970, ketchup777 wrote: So many of PC’s posts just have a wishy washy hedge-betting toneYa basic!- Political Clout
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Drew was being townread by 3 people, it's pretty obvious why he diedIn post 3003, Political Clout wrote:
I think we lose the game if ketchup is still alive and we're wrong on enchant we should vote out python today I think we hit scum with python. They had to kill drew as it makes the most sense for them as mafia since they were basically clearing them mechanically? setup wise? idk.In post 2984, Hu Tao wrote: I'll hammer to advance but I still think it's enchant or pythonPlural | Nameless (They/He) and Alice (She/Her) and C (They/Them) and more- Political Clout
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all good i laughed (:In post 3009, Political Clout wrote: I don't want to be mean I'm sorry ketchup- ketchup777
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can do but I still think it’s PC idkkkkIn post 3010, Hu Tao wrote: Ketchup can we vote enchant?- ketchup777
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Actually it could be python maybe oh no
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We'll wait until light claims to comment on this furtherIn post 1317, JacksonVirgo wrote: Cops are the new VT. There's going to be sprinkled roles like the Disloyal but mostly they're the new VT, no point in coordinating anything really.so much for waiting for light
'shoot’ as a Freudian slip?In post 1525, usesPython wrote:
We compensate for our low read accuracy by being pretty good at finding a few people town and then sheeping them, in this case especially we're content to shoot our other scumreads given that we don't have the time to read or case muchIn post 1524, Political Clout wrote: doesn't explain why you are letting jv dictate your actions.This rotation to get off the Light wagon still feels pretty bad. Rotating to second scum then thinking better of it. Then seeming to strongly townread black later on is a bit weird.
nothing here just mental noting around this point is when Black and Python engage and and it actually kinda feels like when Black was talking with LightIn post 1694, usesPython wrote:
The exact setup doesn't as long as scum don't know it's an all cop game, do you think the gamestate supports this or not?In post 1689, Black wrote: I'm sorry I don't understand. Why would scum!Drew think this is the setup?- ketchup777
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From memory this was us dancing around the fact that Enchant was claiming VT since light was the last unclaimedIn post 3015, ketchup777 wrote: Actually it could be python maybe oh no
In post 1320, usesPython wrote:
We'll wait until light claims to comment on this furtherIn post 1317, JacksonVirgo wrote: Cops are the new VT. There's going to be sprinkled roles like the Disloyal but mostly they're the new VT, no point in coordinating anything really.so much for waiting for light
We use shoot as an alternative to lim (e.g.In post 3015, ketchup777 wrote:
'shoot’ as a Freudian slip?In post 1525, usesPython wrote:
We compensate for our low read accuracy by being pretty good at finding a few people town and then sheeping them, in this case especially we're content to shoot our other scumreads given that we don't have the time to read or case muchIn post 1524, Political Clout wrote: doesn't explain why you are letting jv dictate your actions.
In post 2639, usesPython in Cop 17er wrote: How to solve the game:- Shoot Titus
- Shoot everyone on the DE wagon
Black vote was for bad d2 posting, then we changed our mind and decided to vibe-check her d1 and got got. Having way stronger townreads than we realistically should is a chronic problem for us that we're not interested in fixing cause it'd be boring (co-incidentally Cop 17er quoted above has us do the same thing to DE (who was town) and Naerys (who was maf))In post 3015, ketchup777 wrote:This rotation to get off the Light wagon still feels pretty bad. Rotating to second scum then thinking better of it. Then seeming to strongly townread black later on is a bit weird.
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People and who they "Checked: I won't strongly investigate reasonings of town players who died":
Green colored for other unknown players. If i colored you green here doesn't mean i townread you, it's just that if said Cop is mafia member, then obviously EVERYONE ELSE ARE TOWN and therefore said check is on "Town".
In case me-Cop i writed from perspective i am also suspect, thus if i am mafia, other still living players must be town. I marked self as town in other cases.
ketchup777|Cop
N1: Enchant
N2: Hu Tao
N3: Drew
N4: Political Clout
Reasoning: Who the hell knows what newbie thinks and i am NOT reading all these700800 posts to figure this and other checks because they are not important anyway, i mean unless you shred all your game in 50-100 words in next post i am NOT READING IT DO YOU HEAR ME SAUCE.
Yes i remember there was some sort of "Plan" but as far i remember only mafia followed it really (black). Point my nose if i am wrong.
JacksonVirgo|Cop
N1: Enchant
N2+: Ded
Reasoning: shrug
Black|Cop
N1: Light
N2: Jackson
N3: Never Stated.
Reasoning: So uh Black said "I am 1vs1ing Hu Tao" (of course when Hu Tao voted Black first) then goes 1vs1ing Hu Tao, drops "I guess Python+Ketchup may be possible" and dies.
Me and Jackson are not mentioned. Jackson killed. Think about it whatever you want.
Titus|Cop
N1: Ranger.
N2+: Ded
Reasoning: shrug, but i guess this message deserved to be reposted:
Haha yeah...In post 1410, Titus wrote: Calling light and Black partners. There is a reason to vote light (counterwagon from yesterday) but I wanted to hear someone say it to compare if they usually do that. Black jumping off at the first motion elsewhere is suspicious rather than giving a reason. She wants to be on the light wagon if it takes but would rather vote town.
VOTE: Light
light_ganski|Disloyal Cop
N1: Enchant
N2: Ranger (Which is uh... Guilty.)
Reasoning:
I have no idea why mafia would fake inno on me, but this is not first time they did. In fact, town investigators almost always never really bothered to waste time on me. Thus my suspicious on people on me.
Most interesting is why Light would fake guilty on Ranger. Even if Ranger was not VT i doubt mafia would risk for little to no benefit. It literally doomed Light for something mafia could perfectly achieve without faking guilty if they tried (ranger was not biggest townread after all)).
Ranger|VT
Haha VT in alianna game.
Enchant|Cop
N1: Python
N2: Ketchup
N3: Hu Tao
N4: Doctor Drew
Reasoning: I checked Python mostly blindly (I wanted to investigate Ketchup due "INVESTIGATE ME TO FIND TOWN" but Ketchup being newbie dissuaded me from allying with Ketchup in case he is town and if mafia i believed i get him killed somehow regardless). I consider Python too dangerous imo. Then i checked Ketchup partially again i didn't like that dance around Titus at last moments (it was so overplayed, i was hesitated with hammering. My reasoning was relaxed because i didn't think i can get guilties anyway. And then i checked Hu Tao on basically random. Why not.)
Also i know i inflate my ego (not like i consider self better than everyone else, mortals) but hey i checked almost all living players! If not gimmick of this cringe game i would be passable Cop.
usesPython|Cop
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N2: Black
N3: No One.
N4: PC
Reasoning:
Laplacian|Disloyal Cop
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Hu Tao|Cop
N1: Political Clout
N2: Jackson
N3: Black
N4: ???
Reasoning: Idk. Hu Tao checks makes sense from perspective of town cop.
DkKoba|Miller (Lie)
Got vibechecked N1. Living past N1 is scum tell for Koba really. It doesn't matter Koba was cop.
Political Clout|Cop
N1: Titus
N2: ???
N3: ???
N4: ???
Reasoning: Okay..... That's awkward.
Doctor Drew|Cop
N1: Python
N2: Black
N3: Political Clout
Now:
0. I tried to fill this from like previous game day but i am lazy so i did it just now.
1. Mafia obviously knew that Ranger somehow not Rolecop, even if Ranger basically CLAIMED Rolecop with "Oh hey i checked Miller claim". Reasonable only Rolecop want to check Miller because Millers are clear for them.
BUT.
Maybe Hu Tao is right. Koba was attacked for Miller claim. Mafia reasoning is simple "Aha we have rolecop finder, and there's miller claim, let's kill miller claim, miller is possible clear for rolecop!
I guess they didn't fear Rolecop guiltying THEM for being leaders of organised crime, or they had nothing to guess rolecop and decided to go with little winnings instead of possible killing someone completely random. It's reinforced by fact they killed Ranger instead of potential Rolecops when Ranger was revealed as clear.
2. I cleared Doctor Drew previous day mostly on basis that we checked same player N1. I didn't really care what Drew saying. Complain please.
3.MOST likely mafia avoided faking checks on each other first nights. Even if it didn't matter. Town on other hand atleast didn't meme with checks. So first nights is more relevant than others.You know what i writed it until filling black. Now i am 100% sure other mafia members "checked" townies and Black designated self to trip me with this reasoning. Sadly it gives you nothing because it only conftowns ME due Light claiming check on me N1.
4. Like on D2 Python posted "POE" solve. It included Jackson,Drew, Me and Python. Jackson and Drew were ASAP targeted (with break on Ranger). I mean huh
5. Clout looks far worse than i believed before.
6. Black posted two POEs like Light+Hu+Drew and Light+Hu+Python as i remember? I think it actually clears Hu Tao.
I look at this tomorrow because i am tired, you can give "missing" checks and explain why you made them, it will help you.Wizard-Mercenary
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I mean yeah there’s nothing inherently bad in this response. I fear for why I’ve been left alive in that my reads were wrong. Im confident on Hu Tao being town but maybe I was wrong on Python.
Hu Tao and Enchant couldve hammered PC but didn’t. I don’t think scum!HT would be able to safely hammer PC but Enchant def could’ve given it a shot. Maybe LAMIST but I think Enchant town. and ooh Enchants latest post looks good so hold up- ketchup777
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yep but idk if scum!PC would’ve been told to not look so outright guiltyIn post 3019, Enchant wrote:Spoiler:
Political Clout|Cop
N1: Titus
N2: ???
N3: ???
N4: ???
Reasoning: Okay..... That's awkward.
Maybe Light happened to rolecop-finder Ranger night 1? And assumed that if there were a second cop that they were a rolecop?In post 3019, Enchant wrote:Spoiler:
1. Mafia obviously knew that Ranger somehow not Rolecop, even if Ranger basically CLAIMED Rolecop with "Oh hey i checked Miller claim". Reasonable only Rolecop want to check Miller because Millers are clear for them.
BUT.
Maybe Hu Tao is right. Koba was attacked for Miller claim. Mafia reasoning is simple "Aha we have rolecop finder, and there's miller claim, let's kill miller claim, miller is possible clear for rolecop!
I guess they didn't fear Rolecop guiltying THEM for being leaders of organised crime, or they had nothing to guess rolecop and decided to go with little winnings instead of possible killing someone completely random. It's reinforced by fact they killed Ranger instead of potential Rolecops when Ranger was revealed as clear.
I don’t think we can necessarily conclude that.In post 3019, Enchant wrote:Spoiler:
3.MOST likely mafia avoided faking checks on each other first nights. Even if it didn't matter. Town on other hand atleast didn't meme with checks. So first nights is more relevant than others.You know what i writed it until filling black. Now i am 100% sure other mafia members "checked" townies and Black designated self to trip me with this reasoning. Sadly it gives you nothing because it only conftowns ME due Light claiming check on me N1.
maybe maybeIn post 3019, Enchant wrote: 6. Black posted two POEs like Light+Hu+Drew and Light+Hu+Python as i remember? I think it actually clears Hu Tao.
I copped you N1 because a no-info slot and I had crumbed that I would cop you (explained in one of my early megaposts)In post 3019, Enchant wrote: I look at this tomorrow because i am tired, you can give "missing" checks and explain why you made them, it will help you.
N2 I copped Hu Tao partly to follow our plan but also I assigned myself Hu Tao because I feared I might be being pocketed
N3 I copped Drew because no one had copped him yet
N4 I had to cop PC or Python, I just went PC for the heck of it. Tonight I’ll cop Python and then I’ll have copped all of us alive. Not that I’ll get a guilty- Hu Tao
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VOTE: enchant let's just leave it up to ketchup I guess. I really think it's just python though I'll switch if enchant votes them and we can get hu tao to switch.Ya basic!- ketchup777
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