International Mafia Month 2024
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Yeah this was ironic
although ngl now i kinda wanna run a mountanious, what is the balanced number of townies for 3 scum?White Flag : Carebear Edition is in signups ! (9/13) sign up if you want a low pressure, high friendliness game !
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Well I've never run a mountainous game but what I heard is that since town has higher than random accuracy then games with 33% EV are supposed to be balanced. And apparently If you run a setup with 3 scum and 18 town you get 33% EV.
So the answer is unless you want a 21 player game you should probably run White Flag Mountainous or a nightless setup rather than just mountainous.-
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the "EV" (probability of town winning if every execution is chosen randomly) for nightless is 100% minus 2 times the proportion of scum. so for 3 scum and 6 town thats 33% and 3 scum and 7 town that's 40%. i think a "balanced" setup has an EV vaguely in the high 30s or low 40s although i dont think there's a consistent guideline for that; the idea is that towns are supposed to be better than random selection (although worse than random selection specifically in ELo where everybody has to be exactly right or the game ends). nightless tends to perform better than that EV given the way that "towniness" works in practice, so theoretically 6 town and 3 scum is pretty fair except that those numbers sound scary to me-
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ok i see that you said mountainous and not nightless. lol. i think that you would want something closer to 40% for a nightful mountainous setup so that would be um twenty-four townies-
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Gypyx She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
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holy macaroniWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is in signups ! (9/13) sign up if you want a low pressure, high friendliness game !
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schadd_ he/itpandora's pukeboxhe/it
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i thought & wrote more about this here. i think it's not quite like how i wrote above, and more like nightless setups match EV and nightful setups perform worse, but EV is just a number in any caseIn post 102, schadd_ wrote: nightless tends to perform better than that EV given the way that "towniness" works in practice, so theoretically 6 town and 3 scum is pretty fair except that those numbers sound scary to me-
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AniX NoneUCalledNone
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March 15 - "Beware the 'Itles of March" Day
Titles are one of my favorite little quirks of Mafiascum, where users who have stood out from the crowd get a little marker of that contribution to the community. Think a user you know deserves the honor? Have a title you is exceedingly clever? Head to the Title Fairy thread and suggest one!
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the thing i wrote as "northsidegal has been killed night 1" i had originally wrote dannflor and then changed it-
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So nightless games play out identically to theoretical games where everyone behaves randomly and people are saying that NKs are bad as a result? Is everyone getting so bored they act at random the desired outcome of a mafia game?Who said that?
Chamber. It's all a conspiracy.
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Gypyx She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
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poisoner is a toxic roleWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is in signups ! (9/13) sign up if you want a low pressure, high friendliness game !
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i think games with nightkill are fine if the mafia gets to choose the nightkill but the execution is chosen randomly-
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Gypyx She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
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ideally town powers roles should be able to let the mod choose their target for them to avoid excessive swingWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is in signups ! (9/13) sign up if you want a low pressure, high friendliness game !
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Zoraster once ran a game based on the ideas in this thread and I must admit, it was significantly more fun than the average game of mafia.Who said that?
Chamber. It's all a conspiracy.
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Jake The Wolfie he/theyMafia Scumhe/they
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The execution is also a toxic game mechanic. Like you're literally excluding people from playing? Wtf is wrong with you.In post 107, Dannflor wrote: factional night kill is a toxic game mechanicShow"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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March 16- "Tech Crew Appreciation" Day
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Jake The Wolfie he/theyMafia Scumhe/they
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We need to host a game of mafia over mail.In post 115, AniX wrote:March 16- "Tech Crew Appreciation" Day
If you enjoy not having to play your game by sending letters through the Post Office, give it up for our technical admins, Kison and borkjorfkin! I can absolutely assure you, beyond a shadow of a doubt, every site suggestion you make that we implement that involves doing more than operating a dropdown level is handled solely by them, not me.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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March 17- "Window into the Soul" Day
Today we celebrate those little images that are associated with us: Avatars! Avatars in many ways are the first thing we notice about another player, often even before (or even to the exclusion of!) usernames. Who among us has talked to a person only to discover, whoops, it is an entirely different user with a similar profile picture. Or stared blankly at a stranger's friendly post before realizing it is your dear friend, just with a different funny little meme image.
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Jake The Wolfie he/theyMafia Scumhe/they
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It is a fact that AniX annex'd MS with nothing more than an Avatar and $5 (The 5 was for chewing gum)Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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Gypyx She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
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The economy is in shamblesIn post 120, Jake The Wolfie wrote: It is a fact that AniX annex'd MS with nothing more than an Avatar and $5 (The 5 was for chewing gum)White Flag : Carebear Edition is in signups ! (9/13) sign up if you want a low pressure, high friendliness game !
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Buy shambles now!In post 121, Gypyx wrote:
The economy is in shamblesIn post 120, Jake The Wolfie wrote: It is a fact that AniX annex'd MS with nothing more than an Avatar and $5 (The 5 was for chewing gum)"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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A very important and often overlooked aspect of forum mafia.In post 119, AniX wrote:March 17- "Window into the Soul" Day
Today we celebrate those little images that are associated with us: Avatars! Avatars in many ways are the first thing we notice about another player, often even before (or even to the exclusion of!) usernames. Who among us has talked to a person only to discover, whoops, it is an entirely different user with a similar profile picture. Or stared blankly at a stranger's friendly post before realizing it is your dear friend, just with a different funny little meme image.
How did you end up choosing your current avatar? Is there any avatar, yours or someone else's, you think really stood out? And if you feel really daring, consider making an Avatar Bet on what tomorrow's Theme is going to be!
I like Doctor Drew's avatars here. My friend MrStoldi also had strong avatar game.
I'm of the (humble) opinion that my avatar game is unmatched though.
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The shambles are in shambles.In post 122, Bingle wrote:
Buy shambles now!In post 121, Gypyx wrote:
The economy is in shamblesIn post 120, Jake The Wolfie wrote: It is a fact that AniX annex'd MS with nothing more than an Avatar and $5 (The 5 was for chewing gum)Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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