Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Yuuka Kazami]

Yuuka this isn’t working I’m just townreading kagerou more.

Alas.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I'm not voting and I'll be out this weekend.

My order (from scum to town)

Riesen



Kaguya

Yuuka

Why am I on the bottom of your list now?

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Yuuka this isn’t working I’m just townreading kagerou more.

Reisen why am I scum?

I think you’re moving too sly for town. Even your analogy for playing chess here, it just really fits your M.O.

I had issue with you playing positionally before and it hasn’t changed now that you’re openly admitting to playing positionally.

I think you’re moving with intention in a non town way. Things like treating yuuka as town in your actions (specifically the yuuka callout, dai response/revive) while saying things like you’re evaluating them or calling them scum mechanically.

Things like skating around me because I feel like you will absolutely need my vote in an eLo situation but you can still pivot out if like, another town gives you enough leeway.

Dunno enough about make to make a claim of manipulation but would also fit the M.O.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Their wording implies that they would have tried to to leash Marisa if given the chance, but when they posted they didn't discourage anyone going after Marisa or take the reins in regards to Marisa's play that day phase, they were just like, "Oh wow that's interesting, excuse me everyone I'll just be over here, figuring out what my role does!"

I had zero expectation of a speedlim.

I wanted to understand myself before even having an opinion.

Bleh.
Kaguya was out there posting about how, for a limited time only killing Marisa was half off, get it while supplies last.


You probably understand the concept of sale/marketing psychology. Or whatever it’s called.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Yuuka this isn’t working I’m just townreading kagerou more.

Alas.

Ah, melo. And also snark down.

I’m scum reading you.
Everyone is.
Why is everyone wrong?

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Cuz I’m town.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Yeah, I thought you'd say that.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

I’m scumread by everyone but I could be partners with anyone…even aya! I’m biased but that should suggest that I don’t have a side playing for me to live.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Nobody thinks you're scum partners with Aya.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

So I think, in general my reads this game have been very accurate. Which normally would be a pretty big threat for scum. But I’m aware of my game presence via game absence and that makes it really easy to discredit or just talk over me. My reads or statements just don’t have that sticking power.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Nobody thinks you're scum partners with Aya.

Town….town partners.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I’m scumread by everyone but I could be partners with anyone…even aya! I’m biased but that should suggest that I don’t have a side playing for me to live.

Kaguya is pretty much, as you say, playing positionally, they do not wish to kill you this day phase.
They also, refuse to directly scum read you. You're a PoE and you appear to be staying there for them.
This does not seem to have done them any favors in terms of your suspicion of them.

[Yuuka Kazami]

So I think, in general my reads this game have been very accurate. Which normally would be a pretty big threat for scum. But I’m aware of my game presence via game absence and that makes it really easy to discredit or just talk over me. My reads or statements just don’t have that sticking power.

Normally, scum have bigger fish to fry immediately with koshi/Aya clearing themselves after the first day. Your presence and reads is not likely to tip the needle in terms of choice of nk compared to playing around Koishi/Aya.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

I’m scumread by everyone but I could be partners with anyone…even aya! I’m biased but that should suggest that I don’t have a side playing for me to live.

Kaguya is pretty much, as you say, playing positionally, they do not wish to kill you this day phase.
They also, refuse to directly scum read you. You're a PoE and you appear to be staying there for them.
This does not seem to have done them any favors in terms of your suspicion of them.

If you’re town. Who do you think is easier to strongarm in 3p?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Yuuka this isn’t working I’m just townreading kagerou more.

Typo?

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

So I think, in general my reads this game have been very accurate. Which normally would be a pretty big threat for scum. But I’m aware of my game presence via game absence and that makes it really easy to discredit or just talk over me. My reads or statements just don’t have that sticking power.

Normally, scum have bigger fish to fry immediately with koshi/Aya clearing themselves after the first day. Your presence and reads is not likely to tip the needle in terms of choice of nk compared to playing around Koishi/Aya.

Probably, but aya is still here. N1 yeah Koishi was the target but for being the 2 clears from d2 Koishi lived a good while.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Yuuka this isn’t working I’m just townreading kagerou more.

Typo?

?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Yuuka this isn’t working I’m just townreading kagerou more.

Typo?

?

Why in the world would you TR me?

[Yuuka Kazami]

Kaguya/You.

But this is unique to me. In that I would not let Kaguya back out of their town read of me.
I think Kaguya might be easier than you, simply because I tend to come off as to aggressive/arm twisty and I wouldn't consider myself super persuasive in the context of getting someone to reconsider. I also get fed up pretty quick.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Oh, to note, I always try to force the two players remaining to cross vote in elo, and would be trying to force my top two scum reads to cross vote in melo in other circumstances. I already said this, but saying it again. Not that, it's especially important to say.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

So I think, in general my reads this game have been very accurate. Which normally would be a pretty big threat for scum. But I’m aware of my game presence via game absence and that makes it really easy to discredit or just talk over me. My reads or statements just don’t have that sticking power.

Normally, scum have bigger fish to fry immediately with koshi/Aya clearing themselves after the first day. Your presence and reads is not likely to tip the needle in terms of choice of nk compared to playing around Koishi/Aya.

This reinforces kaguya a little more for me. Clown died either for claiming (kaguya/…..I think Marisa?) had that claim info.

Or the combination of clown having a loud voice/good reads. Or the ability to get to the correct reads and hold up scum. So.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Yuuka this isn’t working I’m just townreading kagerou more.

Typo?

?

Why in the world would you TR me?

I’ve made like 3 quote reviews, I’ve talked about my reads on your slot I’m pretty sure each of the days I was active in.

Scumreading me isn’t going to change my view since…well everyone is doing that already and ya can’t all be scum.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Kaguya/You.

But this is unique to me. In that I would not let Kaguya back out of their town read of me.
I think Kaguya might be easier than you, simply because I tend to come off as to aggressive/arm twisty and I wouldn't consider myself super persuasive in the context of getting someone to reconsider. I also get fed up pretty quick.

Sorry I meant from kaguya perspective between myself and you.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Hard to know from their perspective, in reality, just based on your posts this day phase, I'd say I'd be easier to convince than you. This is mainly because while I've been kind of panic posting about topics or issues in their play that concern me, you've just kind of been silo'd up and saying, essentially, "yep, Kaguya looks like scum to me"
There's not much room to argue with that. I'm engaging in a way you aren't they asked you 3 times to case them before you responded.
Like, what is scum Kaguya going to do with that?

[Yuuka Kazami]

Reisen, why haven't you commented on the thematic elements/roles this game much?
You're a touhou fan, right?