Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Clownpiece]

I’ll be around

Alright I have remembered

This entire day phase has revolved around a Sanae wagon. And I guess there's a good reason for it because she claimed she'll confirm herself and then didn't, and she has somewhat resigned herself to being the vote for today.

But I feel there's something off about it seeing that it got to 4 votes with 3 conftown off the wagon. So it makes it so either Sanae was scum with exactly one of Kagerou/Reisen, or there was scum on the wagon. Now obviously it's possible that scum would bus here, but the only person who I was scumreading on Sanae's wagon didn't sound like they were bussing (Kaguya), so I decided to assume Sanae was town and was pushed by Kaguya as a misfade. However right now I feel Kaguya is towny. So I guess my first question to you is how likely do you think Kaguya is scum?

ig I can see how Kaguya's posting could be townie but I don't think that that posting makes her more townie than others

[Yuuka Kazami]

Clown is in my pool, just unlikely.
Koishi and Aya are out of the pool.
Barring incredibly silly play.
But they've been pretty proactive and the tone is right, they aren't rushing the game along. They almost certainly solve themselves.

Don't get it.

[Marisa Kirisame]

What do you think was townie about them?

I've pointed out some things but basically they read like a townie who has found some confident townreads and is content to just wagon anyone outside of them? Like these posts in particular:

Spoiler:

Other quick notes:

The bunny seems to keep slinking into the foreground and I'm not sure if that's a my perception problem or an actually intentional positioning scumplay.

Intentional play….somewhat. I wouldn’t add the other stuff around it.

1. The only slots that are interested in interacting with stuff that I put out are slots I’m already townreading or agreeing with and the slots I want to get a little more on just don’t see my posts.

Ichirin and tenshi specifically, which is frustrating but ehh, I’ll get over it.

B. I’m pretty fine with the trajectory of the day. Not counting on an aha moment that flips everything upside down.

I’m cool with going into the night and telling all my secrets to my alter ego in the notes pt.

UNVOTE: idk i thought ichirins….i dunno what to call it, send off post? Felt really really emotionally good.

I don’t have any alternative, koichi can live today off the claim at the very least.

I’M GONNA DO IT!!!

Here is my professional opinion on the matter
- I think the majority of players are decently townie.
- I don’t think Irchin did anything that stands out to me. In particular, Irchin does not strike me as someone who wants to be right but rather appear as if Irchin wants to be right.
- Do you wanna run up another guy and get another claim out of them? I don’t think this is advisable. I don’t even know why koishi claimed tbh.
- Someone has to die. The role isn’t particularly appealing to keep alive
- Most of what was posted has mostly been emotional appeals. Emotional appeals can’t be the only thing to justify keeping the slot alive, they need substance. Something that definitively screams town. I can think this for a lot of players, not Irchin.
- if u don’t know what to do, it’s because your gut tells u something is off. It probably shows that u could be town but just don’t know what to do in this situation.

Valid valid VOTE: Ichirin

Also this felt like it was a genuine dumbslip:

Tenshi

i'm truly the greatest vigilante in town

….is Marisa PGO?

That doesn’t make sense though. Like the idea would be keep you around to keep clown around and it not be suspicious why clown is still alive but scum could have gotten strongwill with your death right?

And even if not there are better ways to go about it I think….

and if Marisa isn’t pgo it still doesn’t explain how larva died.

Though I'm just realizing that Reisen thought Larva died from giving me a dango, not from trying to kill me, so actually that's less of a dumbslip than I thought lol.

[Marisa Kirisame]

ig I can see how Kaguya's posting could be townie but I don't think that that posting makes her more townie than others

If Sanae flips town would you look at Kaguya first? Or Dai? Or somebody else?

[Marisa Kirisame]

Yeah nvm that dumbslip isn't even towny

[Clownpiece]

Aya Shameimaru - Never Vote
Yuuka Kazami - Kill if Sanae flips town
Kaguya Houraisan - Nothing I have that points to town seems like it weighs more than anything else offered. Kaguya doesn't die today.
Kagerou Imaizumi - I think I see some evidence of towinness but this GiF actually just does not know how to prod people. Tenshi feels like a weird target to remove from the game from a wolf pov.
Koishi Komeiji - never vote
Daiyousei - I actually liked Daiyousei's D2. It's probably not enough in the long term but I want to say these are villager made posts > wolf ones
Marisa Kirisame - never vote
Clownpiece - me!!!!!!
Reisen Udongein Inaba - Reisen's posting to me came across as uninformed more than anything. Reisen's ascetic makes her impossible to clear mechanically though. Though this is generally the point of ascetics.
Sanae Kochiya - Kill

[Clownpiece]

ig I can see how Kaguya's posting could be townie but I don't think that that posting makes her more townie than others

If Sanae flips town would you look at Kaguya first? Or Dai? Or somebody else?

Yuuka

[Yuuka Kazami]

I'm not clown piece, but I'd be looking at Clown, Kagerou, Marisa, Kaguya.

With an emphasis on Kagerou.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Yuuka

Okay that is confusing to me please explain

With an emphasis on Kagerou.

Curious

[Yuuka Kazami]

why not Reisen?
Because they're mad at me.

[Clownpiece]

The rest of what you wrote is going to trigger a response, but I get it.
You're off balance.

I am a little, yeah

These slots are not both town, with the way this interaction just went. They're also probably not scum together, though I've seen weirder cases of theater.

Also, I'm choosing to ignore the comment about vitriol because it feels like intentional bait.

I value this

[Yuuka Kazami]

they claimed scum and I'm not sure their job could kick their ass so hard they wouldn't cease to exist/fail to try and solve.
I don't disagree with whoever said a scum vig is impossible here. It seems like a mistake/blind side.

And I'm still confused that they could take two actions at once apparently. They're worth looking at again, is my point.

[Sanae Kochiya]

I could maybe see 1931 being townie, I don't think the Ichirin vote is townie at all. They literally voteparked there till the end of the day based on someone else's case,

I don't think a few townie posts should be enough to be activelu townreading them at this point, especially if the pool from your POV after I flip is like 2 scum in Kaguya/Kagerou/Reisen/Yuuka/Dai

If you're taking out Aya/Koishi/Clown

Like to me there really isn't anything to townread, they aren't solving, and they're just kinsa like there

[Sanae Kochiya]

Yeah nvm that dumbslip isn't even towny

Yea ...

[Marisa Kirisame]

Marisa Kirisame - never vote

Mairsa Kirisame [1]:

Clownpiece

(Yeah I know it isn't a serious vote I just really wanted to make this joke to destress)

[Sanae Kochiya]

I'm not clown piece, but I'd be looking at Clown, Kagerou, Marisa, Kaguya.

With an emphasis on Kagerou.

Clown and Marisa I actually think are town on reads

[Marisa Kirisame]

I could maybe see 1931 being townie, I don't think the Ichirin vote is townie at all. They literally voteparked there till the end of the day based on someone else's case,

I don't think a few townie posts should be enough to be activelu townreading them at this point, especially if the pool from your POV after I flip is like 2 scum in Kaguya/Kagerou/Reisen/Yuuka/Dai

If you're taking out Aya/Koishi/Clown

Like to me there really isn't anything to townread, they aren't solving, and they're just kinsa like there

Fair enough. Do note I was the person who was townreading every single slot at one point in day 1.

[Sanae Kochiya]

I would go like

Reisen -> Yuuka/Kaguya -> Kagerou -> Dai/Marisa -> Clown

[Marisa Kirisame]

Okay so am I going to become known as the deadline flashwagoner cause I'm tempted to flashwagon Reisen or Kagerou now.

[Sanae Kochiya]

Reisen ....

[Marisa Kirisame]

@Aya @Koishi @Clown

Thoughts please?

[Yuuka Kazami]

I'm not clown piece, but I'd be looking at Clown, Kagerou, Marisa, Kaguya.

With an emphasis on Kagerou.

Clown and Marisa I actually think are town on reads

Why?

[Clownpiece]

@Aya @Koishi @Clown

Thoughts please?

it doesn't really resonate with me.

[Aya Shameimaru]

I was Sanae still

[Sanae Kochiya]

And I'll say, again, that the Tenshi vig makes little sense to me from a town POV, Tenshi was pretty obvtown end of day, and I believe at least both me and Koishi said that
(I.e. Kagerou being like 'nobody had townreads on them! So I thought I was reducing the lim pool!' Makes very little sense to me)