Open 913 - This Game Started as an April Fools' Joke - Night 2

[experience]

My current thoughts on what we should do:
- if CSF is alive, lim CSF
- if CSF is NKed and flips scum, lim ming or Elements
- if CSF is NKed and flips town, lim light_ganski obviously
- if CSF, out of a desperate attempt to disrupt the game and escape judgment, unleashes a tiger attack on the site before the end of N1, run away faster than CSF so the tigers catch her in an ironic twist of fate

i think this seems like a good course of action

[experience]

If Ming is town I prolly look at slots like drew or experience who didn't rly take the chance to change anything night 0.

good idea
(tho i probably wouldn't have voted br, who i didn't really have a read on, over ming, regardless of my alignment)

[OopsieDaisy]

If Ming is town I prolly look at slots like drew or experience who didn't rly take the chance to change anything night 0.

What do you mean by this?

If Ming is town then scum knew that it didn't matter where we landed between Moros/Ming/BR. Therefore there's no reason for em to shake up the boat like for example Black did. So I wanna look at the slots who didn't do a whole lot N0 if it turns out Ming is town, because scum are less likely to have been actively engaging and pushing the wagons to and fro imo.

How did Black shake the boat?

By flipping the focus away from Ming and onto BR after my vote onto Ming, alongside initially pushing heavily against Ming during the night prior to that.

But you just said if ming is town, then scum knew they could flip between any of the three you mentioned, since they would all be mis lims.

How does this clear Black?

sure scum *can* flip between any of the three but why would they? black had built up a pretty solid push on ming, before then moving to moros, so abandoning both of those already justified pushes to push another town wagon through last minute instead doesn't really make sense to do as scum there.

[experience]

If Ming is town I prolly look at slots like drew or experience who didn't rly take the chance to change anything night 0.

What do you mean by this?

If Ming is town then scum knew that it didn't matter where we landed between Moros/Ming/BR. Therefore there's no reason for em to shake up the boat like for example Black did. So I wanna look at the slots who didn't do a whole lot N0 if it turns out Ming is town, because scum are less likely to have been actively engaging and pushing the wagons to and fro imo.

How did Black shake the boat?

By flipping the focus away from Ming and onto BR after my vote onto Ming, alongside initially pushing heavily against Ming during the night prior to that.

But you just said if ming is town, then scum knew they could flip between any of the three you mentioned, since they would all be mis lims.

How does this clear Black?

sure scum *can* flip between any of the three but why would they? black had built up a pretty solid push on ming, before then moving to moros, so abandoning both of those already justified pushes to push another town wagon through last minute instead doesn't really make sense to do as scum there.

+1

[experience]

btw, random thing.
what do y'all think of the chance that scum could be lying about voting br?

[experience]

maybe i should doublecheck who everybody said they voted.

[Doctor Drew]

If Ming is town I prolly look at slots like drew or experience who didn't rly take the chance to change anything night 0.

What do you mean by this?

If Ming is town then scum knew that it didn't matter where we landed between

Moros/Ming/BR.

Therefore there's no reason for em to shake up the boat like for example Black did. So I wanna look at the slots who didn't do a whole lot N0 if it turns out Ming is town, because scum are less likely to have been actively engaging and pushing the wagons to and fro imo.

Ya, but you said it doesn't matter where we landed in the bolded three, because scum knew they would be all three town......if awesome is town.

Black went from Awesome, to BR.....

So....by your logic, how does this clear Black?

[OopsieDaisy]

If Ming is town I prolly look at slots like drew or experience who didn't rly take the chance to change anything night 0.

What do you mean by this?

If Ming is town then scum knew that it didn't matter where we landed between

Moros/Ming/BR.

Therefore there's no reason for em to shake up the boat like for example Black did. So I wanna look at the slots who didn't do a whole lot N0 if it turns out Ming is town, because scum are less likely to have been actively engaging and pushing the wagons to and fro imo.

Ya, but you said it doesn't matter where we landed in the bolded three, because scum knew they would be all three town......if awesome is town.

Black went from Awesome, to BR.....

So....by your logic, how does this clear Black?

it doesn't matter where we land in the bolded three, so why change the fact that we were landing on ming if she's scum and ming's town?

[Doctor Drew]

If Ming is town I prolly look at slots like drew or experience who didn't rly take the chance to change anything night 0.

What do you mean by this?

If Ming is town then scum knew that it didn't matter where we landed between

Moros/Ming/BR.

Therefore there's no reason for em to shake up the boat like for example Black did. So I wanna look at the slots who didn't do a whole lot N0 if it turns out Ming is town, because scum are less likely to have been actively engaging and pushing the wagons to and fro imo.

Ya, but you said it doesn't matter where we landed in the bolded three, because scum knew they would be all three town......if awesome is town.

Black went from Awesome, to BR.....

So....by your logic, how does this clear Black?

it doesn't matter where we land in the bolded three, so why change the fact that we were landing on ming if she's scum and ming's town?

I am clearly missing some key piece of logic here.

Whey do experience and I need more of a look, and not Black, if Awesome were to flip town?

[experience]

only 4 people confirmed they actually ended up voting br, by my count (oopsie, light, csf, thomith).
2 confirmed voting for ming (me and halfasleep).
and 1 for black (drew).
that leaves 4 people, not including br, unaccounted for (elements, ming, black, imag).

[experience]

imag, i trust to be town for recent posting, and i doubt ming would self-vote.

[experience]

but, how can we be sure scum didn't pretend to vote br?
like realistically, only 7 people needed to vote br.
any extra could easily have lied and claimed a vote on br, knowing they can't be disproven.

[OopsieDaisy]

Yea you are missing something Drew lemme try and explain in more detail.

I don't see a reasonable explanation as to why Black overhauls her reads 3 hours before the deadline to get someone she hasn't shown much of a care for prior to that point pushed out. If she's scum and the wagon that was about to happen was gonna be on town anyways, it's wasted effort, and that play is basically guaranteed to draw more attention to her in the following day.

I believe in a gamestate where town are basically guaranteed to get wagoned, scum players don't have much motivation to change the gamestate. So when Black comes in and starts leading a new wagon 3 hours before deadline, that directly goes against this theory if Ming is town. This is why I want to look into experience/you/halfasleep if Ming flips town. I'm hunting for people who showed a lack of motivation to change the gamestate at that time.

[OopsieDaisy]

If Ming is scum however there is clear scum motive to change the gamestate, a leading town member just plonked a vote onto your scumbuddy who's been under pressure for a good chunk of the day and could get wagoned, so we look to see who did change things up in reaction to that and black/thomith pop up.

[experience]

oopsie, what do you think of my theory?

[imaginality]

Daisy's last two posts make sense to me.

Just one slight caveat, Black was pretty townread D1 and I could see her, if she's scum and ming is town, pushing for a switch to town knowing she can survive any fallout from it and it might help lead to a ming mislim on a future day if Black gets flipped first for some reason (e.g. SK/vig shot or cop guilty). But that does seem like an unnecessary risk so I agree with Daisy's read on the situation.

[imaginality]

only 4 people confirmed they actually ended up voting br, by my count (oopsie, light, csf, thomith).
2 confirmed voting for ming (me and halfasleep).
and 1 for black (drew).
that leaves 4 people, not including br, unaccounted for (elements, ming, black, imag).

but, how can we be sure scum didn't pretend to vote br?
like realistically, only 7 people needed to vote br.
any extra could easily have lied and claimed a vote on br, knowing they can't be disproven.

Sorry, overlooked this with in all the cop guilty excitement.

I voted Black Ranger. I'd been asleep the last six hours of N0 - based on where things were at when I checked out I was expecting I'd be voting ming or Moros, but when I caught up and saw where the discussion had ended up it seemed Black Ranger had gained the most consensus by end of day. So I added my vote on Black Ranger (as per my N0 belief that we don't want to risk giving scum a chance to redirect our lims).

[imaginality]

Yeah, there's no way to catch scum out if they falsely claim to have been on the lim wagon. If they falsely claim to have been on a different wagon, in some circumstances that would be possible to catch.

What could be neat in a future variant of this game would be an "election monitor" role who can target a group of say three players each Day phase, and receives the results of who they voted for (not who voted whom, just "two votes on Alice, one vote on Bob"). Or perhaps they can target one player and find out how many people voted that player.

[experience]

only 4 people confirmed they actually ended up voting br, by my count (oopsie, light, csf, thomith).
2 confirmed voting for ming (me and halfasleep).
and 1 for black (drew).
that leaves 4 people, not including br, unaccounted for (elements, ming, black, imag).

but, how can we be sure scum didn't pretend to vote br?
like realistically, only 7 people needed to vote br.
any extra could easily have lied and claimed a vote on br, knowing they can't be disproven.

Sorry, overlooked this with in all the cop guilty excitement.

I voted Black Ranger. I'd been asleep the last six hours of N0 - based on where things were at when I checked out I was expecting I'd be voting ming or Moros, but when I caught up and saw where the discussion had ended up it seemed Black Ranger had gained the most consensus by end of day. So I added my vote on Black Ranger (as per my N0 belief that we don't want to risk giving scum a chance to redirect our lims).

i see and no problems!

[experience]

going offtrack, just noticed i have the fifth highest amount of posts (surprisingly)

[experience]

What could be neat in a future variant of this game would be an "election monitor" role who can target a group of say three players each Day phase, and receives the results of who they voted for (not who voted whom, just "two votes on Alice, one vote on Bob"). Or perhaps they can target one player and find out how many people voted that player.

also this is such a good idea!!!

[Doctor Drew]

and yea no one bit on the black ranger stuff so im VOTE: ming right now.

I'm down to

VOTE: Black Ranger

Deadline looming

VOTE: Black Ranger

black ranger's ISO is a bit comical
It's very very detached from the game and I can't say it's towny
ive stuff to do rn but ill look into it in like aqn hour

Daisy

I was starting to feel like you are doing whatever you can to protect Black, but I looked back to when Black switched gears onto BR.

Black wasn't getting 'traction' on the Awesome wagon, Moros was actually the leading wagon, then this happened.

You voted Awesome, to which Black suddenly switched to BR, and mentioned the threat of the deadline like 'we gotta move people'

Thomith then quickly sheeped

And then Awesome with a comical read on BR just when the momentum is starting to turn to them.

I am agreeing with you now that the flip on Awesome does tell us quite a bit actually, but Awesome flipping town does not clear Black imo

I still believe this was Black trying to protect their buddy in Awesome, and if Awesome is town I could easily see Black going for the mis lim that gives less info

[Doctor Drew]

and yea no one bit on the black ranger stuff so im VOTE: ming right now.

I'm down to

VOTE: Black Ranger

Deadline looming

VOTE: Black Ranger

black ranger's ISO is a bit comical
It's very very detached from the game and I can't say it's towny
ive stuff to do rn but ill look into it in like aqn hour

Daisy

I was starting to feel like you are doing whatever you can to protect Black, but I looked back to when Black switched gears onto BR.

Black wasn't getting 'traction' on the Awesome wagon, Moros was actually the leading wagon, then this happened.

You voted Awesome, to which Black suddenly switched to BR, and mentioned the threat of the deadline like 'we gotta move people'

Thomith then quickly sheeped

And then Awesome with a comical read on BR just when the momentum is starting to turn to them.

I am agreeing with you now that the flip on Awesome does tell us quite a bit actually, but Awesome flipping town does not clear Black imo

I still believe this was Black trying to protect their buddy in Awesome, and if Awesome is town I could easily see Black going for the mis lim that gives less info

As I got to the preview, I will say I do think there is still a possibility you are protecting Black.......if that wasn't clear Daisy

[awesomeming327]

Thomith is towny for doing the mech thing to look at light’s genuineness

[Doctor Drew]

Argh with the post edits, sorry lol

And I definitely wouldn't say Black was 'shaking things up'....you are grossly putting to oomph to a late day switch in a vote Daisy lol