Micro Theme 1105 | A Questionable (quasi-)Normal game, Vol. II [FIN]

[JacksonVirgo]

I was gonna so a funny hybrid of ketchup and kays name and ended up almost posting “kay” like a dumbass

[KayJayQueue]

I was gonna so a funny hybrid of ketchup and kays name and ended up almost posting “kay” like a dumbass

When you have time, I’d like to get your opinion on the last few pages too.

[ketchup777]

I was gonna so a funny hybrid of ketchup and kays name and ended up almost posting “kay” like a dumbass

LMAO

[KayJayQueue]

I was gonna so a funny hybrid of ketchup and kays name and ended up almost posting “kay” like a dumbass

LMAO

I might just have to make my response without proper formatting and just respond in a lump of text, do you mind if that’s what I do? I just can’t get on my laptop right now but I want to respond sooner than later.

[ketchup777]

I was gonna so a funny hybrid of ketchup and kays name and ended up almost posting “kay” like a dumbass

LMAO

I might just have to make my response without proper formatting and just respond in a lump of text, do you mind if that’s what I do? I just can’t get on my laptop right now but I want to respond sooner than later.

I don’t mind, but I won’t be reading it till morning anyway (~9 hours) so take your pick

[KayJayQueue]

I was gonna so a funny hybrid of ketchup and kays name and ended up almost posting “kay” like a dumbass

LMAO

I might just have to make my response without proper formatting and just respond in a lump of text, do you mind if that’s what I do? I just can’t get on my laptop right now but I want to respond sooner than later.

I don’t mind, but I won’t be reading it till morning anyway (~9 hours) so take your pick

Well I don’t want you to infer that me taking longer to post is indicative of me needing time to formulate an answer. So I’ll probably respond to it sooner than later, formatting be damned.

[ketchup777]

sounds good
why you airporting

[KayJayQueue]

sounds good
why you airporting

Just had to pick my mom up like a good daughter does lol

[ketchup777]

aww

or is just to get an alibi for tonight while your wolf partner mercilessly kills HMMMM

[ketchup777]

nahh not even joking tho I swear the last people to say they were boarding a plane or similar were scum so mad sus rn ofc hmmmmmm

[KayJayQueue]

nahh not even joking tho I swear the last people to say they were boarding a plane or similar were scum so mad sus rn ofc hmmmmmm

Well also tbf if I’m not killed, I travel for work so I will usually be boarding flights on Thursdays and Mondays. Everything that happened yesterday was after I got home from a long weekend and had barely slept lol

[Hu Tao]

This is truly one of the games of all time

[Hu Tao]

Why is it always the games like this where I don't try, I have people townreading me. And then when I try I have people scum read me

[KayJayQueue]

Why is it always the games like this where I don't try, I have people townreading me. And then when I try I have people scum read me

Take it from someone that always tries, it’s better to not, I think lol

[Hu Tao]

If we are going off vibes we vote out umlaut or experience.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Umlaut

[experience]

Ketchup / kay TvT

yay or nay

i think you could be right.

[KayJayQueue]

I’m town informed there’s a wolf between nick and ketchup

Imagine my rvs actually was on scum lol I guess that makes your vote make more sense though.

This post…
I think Kay is undertoning that she never succesfully RVSs scum. But the phrasing of this on a reread seems off.

What’s the difference tonally between 'Imagine my rvs vote was actually on scum' and 'Imagine my rvs vote actually was on scum’? I think to me 'was actually' would sound more natural, as in like, "wow, imagine I actually got the scum right in RVS for once!" whereas ‘actually was' sounds like "imagine an alternate world where my rvs vote was on scum". sounds to me as if Kay is scum and Nick is not her partner

This is probably a dumb question but my role is my role, right? Like there’s no way that I’m actually something else I’m not aware of? There’s no mechanic that makes me think I’m good if I’m actually not, right?

dumb telling or similar perhaps. I remember looking briefly at Kay’s scum game in the past and she had a lot of this, though that was her first game on the site

VOTE: KayJayQueue

that one's a classic

What do you mean?

Is it not obvious?

Not to me. What did I doooo?

hmmm probably tonally NAI though might come back here later. implication that she knows she might have done something?

Okay I’m obviously way out of my depth here. If we can’t find a wolf and need to lim someone useless, both role-wise and knowledge of the game wise, I feel like dead weight. I really want to be helpful but I feel like everyone is speaking in code and it’s all flying completely over my head.

though with no wifom this would come from town, I somewhat feel like this is coming from wolf.

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

Ummm let me do some research lol

Interesting. Why was the reaction not more akin to 'Ummm I think it’s been decent. Let me check"? If Kay in town mindset, would she not remember her recent town stuff and be all too happy to share? But if Kay in scum mindset, might need to fact check

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

In 3 micros, I voted scum successfully twice on Day 1. In a mini, I voted incorrectly. There was a themed micro where we couldn’t talk in the game thread so I don’t count that - but I voted wrong there too lol

And any other games are either incomplete or unfinished.

.

Is that helpful information here though because I feel like I have no idea what’s happening lol

9 minute or so gap before posting this. Is she starting to doubt herself in Macbeth fashion? why am i probing her for this? is she scared?

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

In 3 micros, I voted scum successfully twice on Day 1. In a mini, I voted incorrectly. There was a themed micro where we couldn’t talk in the game thread so I don’t count that - but I voted wrong there too lol

And any other games are either incomplete or unfinished.

When you say voted do you mean over the whole day in total or where your final vote landed? And did you auto discount your scum game from this list or include it?

You said successfully so I counted end of day 1 vote only and no I didn’t include my scum game.

'You said'- she was following the criteria I laid out and not free thinking

VOTE: enchant

So anyway….

VOTE: Enchant

haven’t liked or scumread?

Haven’t liked but it could be scum. I don’t have any super strong scumreads yet.

Maybe. I’m also against a mass claim but I haven’t liked his approach so far.

Then yes there is someone I my eyes on.

Disconnect. KJQ’s Enchant vote feels a lot more just sheeping Jackson yet she never admits that, potentially suggesting the vote is grounded on nothing and fake yet she didn’t want to admit that as a wolf. If there is someone she has her eye on, why is she focusing on punishing someone (Enchant) for getting someone (experience) to claim that '

could

be scum'? KJQ had been on unvote after RVSing (Jackson sheeping) Nick for a while. Why come off now? It looks like a Jackson sheep to me, so why not admit that? After pressing, she said it was 60% a sheep. But why not say that before when I asked for the rationale?

I already said that he felt inconsistent.

KJQ unwilling/refusing to work with the town to facilitate, maybe

Quote 1: I don’t think my syntax should be used against me just because you don’t think it sounds natural. I would be very surprised if my rvs votes were ever on scum because I don’t vote people I think are scum in rvs, I vote random people. If those people later turn out to be scum, cool, but I wouldn’t give myself credit for voting them in rvs because I wasn’t doing it seriously.

Quote 2: not dumb telling, just dumb. Also watching wayyy too much Blood on the Clocktower where the roles can be bullshit lol so in a game where I have no idea what is happening and everyone seems to have a crazy role, I was doubting myself hard.

Quote 3 & 4: I don’t know what to tell you but that that’s just me. NAI at the least, if you’ve played with me, and since you have i wouldn’t expect you to seriously scum read me off this.

Quotes 5-8: I don’t want to give bad info so I wanted to actually look at my games and be sure. I play multiple mafia games at a time so it’s likely I might mix a few D1s up and I’d rather be accurate because I know any inaccuracy could be used against me. Also, I clarified that I was basing my answer off my interpretation of what you meant by “successful”. You asked me something specific, why would I be “free thinking” in my answer when I want to answer the question you asked accurately. This really feels like a reach especially when I had no problem engaging in this question even though I didn’t know how it was going to help you.

Last few quotes: I want to address the accusation of rvs sheeping Jack first: I did not sheep that vote. If I had gotten to the thread 10 minutes earlier, my vote would’ve been first and it would’ve said the exact same thing. I wanted to vote Nick for the alt reason before the thread was even locked. I really do want to know who he is lol

Aside from that, his vote on enchant made me pause and go back to reread what had recently happened and I didn’t like what I read. You know what happened from there. I admitted exactly the same then, that his vote was the catalyst that led to my vote. If you call that sheeping, that’s fine but either way it doesn’t make me bad. But it especially doesn’t when I had solid reasoning to have the thought process I did.

[DrNickRiviera]

Ya I am with Ketchup here

Are you also thinking I’m scum? Because you voted me during rvs but now I’m getting actually accused of being scum so if you agree, I’d also like to know why so I can defend myself.

I was referring to his opinion on Enchant

As far as you go, someone called you and Ketchup a TvT spat, but I find you townier than Ketchup in all this

[ketchup777]

Spoiler:

I’m town informed there’s a wolf between nick and ketchup

Imagine my rvs actually was on scum lol I guess that makes your vote make more sense though.

This post…
I think Kay is undertoning that she never succesfully RVSs scum. But the phrasing of this on a reread seems off.

What’s the difference tonally between 'Imagine my rvs vote was actually on scum' and 'Imagine my rvs vote actually was on scum’? I think to me 'was actually' would sound more natural, as in like, "wow, imagine I actually got the scum right in RVS for once!" whereas ‘actually was' sounds like "imagine an alternate world where my rvs vote was on scum". sounds to me as if Kay is scum and Nick is not her partner

This is probably a dumb question but my role is my role, right? Like there’s no way that I’m actually something else I’m not aware of? There’s no mechanic that makes me think I’m good if I’m actually not, right?

dumb telling or similar perhaps. I remember looking briefly at Kay’s scum game in the past and she had a lot of this, though that was her first game on the site

VOTE: KayJayQueue

that one's a classic

What do you mean?

Is it not obvious?

Not to me. What did I doooo?

hmmm probably tonally NAI though might come back here later. implication that she knows she might have done something?

Okay I’m obviously way out of my depth here. If we can’t find a wolf and need to lim someone useless, both role-wise and knowledge of the game wise, I feel like dead weight. I really want to be helpful but I feel like everyone is speaking in code and it’s all flying completely over my head.

though with no wifom this would come from town, I somewhat feel like this is coming from wolf.

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

Ummm let me do some research lol

Interesting. Why was the reaction not more akin to 'Ummm I think it’s been decent. Let me check"? If Kay in town mindset, would she not remember her recent town stuff and be all too happy to share? But if Kay in scum mindset, might need to fact check

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

In 3 micros, I voted scum successfully twice on Day 1. In a mini, I voted incorrectly. There was a themed micro where we couldn’t talk in the game thread so I don’t count that - but I voted wrong there too lol

And any other games are either incomplete or unfinished.

.

Is that helpful information here though because I feel like I have no idea what’s happening lol

9 minute or so gap before posting this. Is she starting to doubt herself in Macbeth fashion? why am i probing her for this? is she scared?

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

In 3 micros, I voted scum successfully twice on Day 1. In a mini, I voted incorrectly. There was a themed micro where we couldn’t talk in the game thread so I don’t count that - but I voted wrong there too lol

And any other games are either incomplete or unfinished.

When you say voted do you mean over the whole day in total or where your final vote landed? And did you auto discount your scum game from this list or include it?

You said successfully so I counted end of day 1 vote only and no I didn’t include my scum game.

'You said'- she was following the criteria I laid out and not free thinking

VOTE: enchant

So anyway….

VOTE: Enchant

haven’t liked or scumread?

Haven’t liked but it could be scum. I don’t have any super strong scumreads yet.

Maybe. I’m also against a mass claim but I haven’t liked his approach so far.

Then yes there is someone I my eyes on.

Disconnect. KJQ’s Enchant vote feels a lot more just sheeping Jackson yet she never admits that, potentially suggesting the vote is grounded on nothing and fake yet she didn’t want to admit that as a wolf. If there is someone she has her eye on, why is she focusing on punishing someone (Enchant) for getting someone (experience) to claim that '

could

be scum'? KJQ had been on unvote after RVSing (Jackson sheeping) Nick for a while. Why come off now? It looks like a Jackson sheep to me, so why not admit that? After pressing, she said it was 60% a sheep. But why not say that before when I asked for the rationale?

I already said that he felt inconsistent.

KJQ unwilling/refusing to work with the town to facilitate, maybe

Quote 1: I don’t think my syntax should be used against me just because you don’t think it sounds natural. I would be very surprised if my rvs votes were ever on scum because I don’t vote people I think are scum in rvs, I vote random people. If those people later turn out to be scum, cool, but I wouldn’t give myself credit for voting them in rvs because I wasn’t doing it seriously.

you’d be surprised if they were ever on scum? shouldn’t they be on scum 1/4 of the time you are town?

Quote 2: not dumb telling, just dumb. Also watching wayyy too much Blood on the Clocktower where the roles can be bullshit lol so in a game where I have no idea what is happening and everyone seems to have a crazy role, I was doubting myself hard.

sure. i looked at your scum game where you also asked lots of questions about stuff but that was also your first game and now you’re 4+ games deep but it’s still not really a perfect comparison.

Quote 3 & 4: I don’t know what to tell you but that that’s just me. NAI at the least, if you’ve played with me, and since you have i wouldn’t expect you to seriously scum read me off this.

eh sure I could be seeing what I want to see

Quotes 5-8: I don’t want to give bad info so I wanted to actually look at my games and be sure. I play multiple mafia games at a time so it’s likely I might mix a few D1s up and I’d rather be accurate because I know any inaccuracy could be used against me. Also, I clarified that I was basing my answer off my interpretation of what you meant by “successful”. You asked me something specific, why would I be “free thinking” in my answer when I want to answer the question you asked accurately. This really feels like a reach especially when I had no problem engaging in this question even though I didn’t know how it was going to help you.

being sure is good yeah. but I felt like the fact that that was your first port of call, rather than 'I think __, but I’ll check' felt to me you were nervous you’d slip up. maybe

Last few quotes: I want to address the accusation of rvs sheeping Jack first: I did not sheep that vote. If I had gotten to the thread 10 minutes earlier, my vote would’ve been first and it would’ve said the exact same thing. I wanted to vote Nick for the alt reason before the thread was even locked. I really do want to know who he is lol

Aside from that, his vote on enchant made me pause and go back to reread what had recently happened and I didn’t like what I read. You know what happened from there. I admitted exactly the same then, that his vote was the catalyst that led to my vote. If you call that sheeping, that’s fine but either way it doesn’t make me bad. But it especially doesn’t when I had solid reasoning to have the thought process I did.[/color=purple]

I thought you said Jackson’s vote caused you to look back at Enchant. yet you say if you had got to the thread ten minutes earlier you’d vote Enchant. but if you had not looked back at Enchant yet, how could that be?

nvm you meant your rvs vote okok.

"I admitted exactly the same then, that his vote was the catalyst that led to my vote". what, didn’t you just say his rvs vote was

not

a catalyst to your vote. "exactly the same" as what?

hmm

I will compromise on some other people if need be, but not Enchant. Or others that I will express refusal for if I need to.

[KayJayQueue]

VOTE: ketchup

I’m not buying that this is coming from a town perspective.

[KayJayQueue]

Spoiler: ketchup stuff

Spoiler:

I’m town informed there’s a wolf between nick and ketchup

Imagine my rvs actually was on scum lol I guess that makes your vote make more sense though.

This post…
I think Kay is undertoning that she never succesfully RVSs scum. But the phrasing of this on a reread seems off.

What’s the difference tonally between 'Imagine my rvs vote was actually on scum' and 'Imagine my rvs vote actually was on scum’? I think to me 'was actually' would sound more natural, as in like, "wow, imagine I actually got the scum right in RVS for once!" whereas ‘actually was' sounds like "imagine an alternate world where my rvs vote was on scum". sounds to me as if Kay is scum and Nick is not her partner

This is probably a dumb question but my role is my role, right? Like there’s no way that I’m actually something else I’m not aware of? There’s no mechanic that makes me think I’m good if I’m actually not, right?

dumb telling or similar perhaps. I remember looking briefly at Kay’s scum game in the past and she had a lot of this, though that was her first game on the site

VOTE: KayJayQueue

that one's a classic

What do you mean?

Is it not obvious?

Not to me. What did I doooo?

hmmm probably tonally NAI though might come back here later. implication that she knows she might have done something?

Okay I’m obviously way out of my depth here. If we can’t find a wolf and need to lim someone useless, both role-wise and knowledge of the game wise, I feel like dead weight. I really want to be helpful but I feel like everyone is speaking in code and it’s all flying completely over my head.

though with no wifom this would come from town, I somewhat feel like this is coming from wolf.

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

Ummm let me do some research lol

Interesting. Why was the reaction not more akin to 'Ummm I think it’s been decent. Let me check"? If Kay in town mindset, would she not remember her recent town stuff and be all too happy to share? But if Kay in scum mindset, might need to fact check

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

In 3 micros, I voted scum successfully twice on Day 1. In a mini, I voted incorrectly. There was a themed micro where we couldn’t talk in the game thread so I don’t count that - but I voted wrong there too lol

And any other games are either incomplete or unfinished.

.

Is that helpful information here though because I feel like I have no idea what’s happening lol

9 minute or so gap before posting this. Is she starting to doubt herself in Macbeth fashion? why am i probing her for this? is she scared?

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

In 3 micros, I voted scum successfully twice on Day 1. In a mini, I voted incorrectly. There was a themed micro where we couldn’t talk in the game thread so I don’t count that - but I voted wrong there too lol

And any other games are either incomplete or unfinished.

When you say voted do you mean over the whole day in total or where your final vote landed? And did you auto discount your scum game from this list or include it?

You said successfully so I counted end of day 1 vote only and no I didn’t include my scum game.

'You said'- she was following the criteria I laid out and not free thinking

VOTE: enchant

So anyway….

VOTE: Enchant

haven’t liked or scumread?

Haven’t liked but it could be scum. I don’t have any super strong scumreads yet.

Maybe. I’m also against a mass claim but I haven’t liked his approach so far.

Then yes there is someone I my eyes on.

Disconnect. KJQ’s Enchant vote feels a lot more just sheeping Jackson yet she never admits that, potentially suggesting the vote is grounded on nothing and fake yet she didn’t want to admit that as a wolf. If there is someone she has her eye on, why is she focusing on punishing someone (Enchant) for getting someone (experience) to claim that '

could

be scum'? KJQ had been on unvote after RVSing (Jackson sheeping) Nick for a while. Why come off now? It looks like a Jackson sheep to me, so why not admit that? After pressing, she said it was 60% a sheep. But why not say that before when I asked for the rationale?

I already said that he felt inconsistent.

KJQ unwilling/refusing to work with the town to facilitate, maybe

Quote 1: I don’t think my syntax should be used against me just because you don’t think it sounds natural. I would be very surprised if my rvs votes were ever on scum because I don’t vote people I think are scum in rvs, I vote random people. If those people later turn out to be scum, cool, but I wouldn’t give myself credit for voting them in rvs because I wasn’t doing it seriously.

you’d be surprised if they were ever on scum? shouldn’t they be on scum 1/4 of the time you are town?

Quote 2: not dumb telling, just dumb. Also watching wayyy too much Blood on the Clocktower where the roles can be bullshit lol so in a game where I have no idea what is happening and everyone seems to have a crazy role, I was doubting myself hard.

sure. i looked at your scum game where you also asked lots of questions about stuff but that was also your first game and now you’re 4+ games deep but it’s still not really a perfect comparison.

Quote 3 & 4: I don’t know what to tell you but that that’s just me. NAI at the least, if you’ve played with me, and since you have i wouldn’t expect you to seriously scum read me off this.

eh sure I could be seeing what I want to see

Quotes 5-8: I don’t want to give bad info so I wanted to actually look at my games and be sure. I play multiple mafia games at a time so it’s likely I might mix a few D1s up and I’d rather be accurate because I know any inaccuracy could be used against me. Also, I clarified that I was basing my answer off my interpretation of what you meant by “successful”. You asked me something specific, why would I be “free thinking” in my answer when I want to answer the question you asked accurately. This really feels like a reach especially when I had no problem engaging in this question even though I didn’t know how it was going to help you.

being sure is good yeah. but I felt like the fact that that was your first port of call, rather than 'I think __, but I’ll check' felt to me you were nervous you’d slip up. maybe

Last few quotes: I want to address the accusation of rvs sheeping Jack first: I did not sheep that vote. If I had gotten to the thread 10 minutes earlier, my vote would’ve been first and it would’ve said the exact same thing. I wanted to vote Nick for the alt reason before the thread was even locked. I really do want to know who he is lol

Aside from that, his vote on enchant made me pause and go back to reread what had recently happened and I didn’t like what I read. You know what happened from there. I admitted exactly the same then, that his vote was the catalyst that led to my vote. If you call that sheeping, that’s fine but either way it doesn’t make me bad. But it especially doesn’t when I had solid reasoning to have the thought process I did.[/color=purple]

I thought you said Jackson’s vote caused you to look back at Enchant. yet you say if you had got to the thread ten minutes earlier you’d vote Enchant. but if you had not looked back at Enchant yet, how could that be?

nvm you meant your rvs vote okok.

"I admitted exactly the same then, that his vote was the catalyst that led to my vote". what, didn’t you just say his rvs vote was

not

a catalyst to your vote. "exactly the same" as what?

hmm

I will compromise on some other people if need be, but not Enchant. Or others that I will express refusal for if I need to.

1. Again you are twisting things against me. I don’t understand your obsession with my rvs vote in this game or any other. I don’t use rvs to try to vote scum but to gather info. So you keep trying to make it make sense and that I should know if I rvs voted scum…to me it’s pointless either way. Rvs is random for a reason.

2. So I asked a lot of questions during my first game, yes because I was brand new. I needed those questions answered no matter what alignment I was. This game is not my first, sure, but it’s my first with mechanics I haven’t cone across before so I’m once again asking questions because I don’t have the answers. If you think that’s scum, it actually makes me annoyed because it once again makes me feel like my lack of experience is being used against me. You played with me in a newbie game where I was much more confident because the setup was straightforward and I got lucky to catch scum based off of meta. So entirety of day 1 there, I felt good. Did you notice how unsure I was in subsequent days? Maybe you should revisit that game if you forgot.

5-8. Again you are deciding that my words mean something they don’t just because you’re hoping they mean something scummy. It’s such a stretch to say I’m nervous because I answered a question you asked me in a way you didn’t expect. I answered your question and I did it pretty timely. I wasn’t trying to hide anything.

The rest: you misunderstood what I said. When I said “I said exactly the same” it was referring to when you asked in thread and I responded. Meaning - I’ve already explained this.

[KayJayQueue]

To be clear, when I said I did sheep Jack(60%), I meant the enchant vote not the rvs. And that’s all I was ever referencing when saying that I did sheep (in a way, as I said, his enchant vote made me reread and my reread it what made me place my vote)

[ketchup777]

VOTE: ketchup

I’m not buying that this is coming from a town perspective.

this vote is even more mystical to me and furthers you as scum to me unfortunately. The rest of the response was almost promising

[ketchup777]

The rvs vote it’s that it seemed like you knew that you weren’t voting scum by the way you acted, and in general this whole 'who cares it’s only a random vote' attitude feels more scummy to me but I can’t fully place why.

your current voting trajectory is not good to me either.

nick, RVS, whatever.
unvote. sure
enchant… momentum from Jackson. says you have someone you have your eye on apart from enchant, yet this is clearly not me (or was it? correct me).
now you vote me. what happened to enchant? and whoever you had your eye on? why vote me before trying to answer my questions? it doesn’t make sense