Shell Game (Day 4)

[Hermit Crab]

viewtopic.php?p=13016288#p13016288

To your credit, you did ad nauseum insist that you thought I was a viable miselim.

But I’m not this game! Especially when you are pushing one of the cornerstones of my town game that I struggle to replicate as scum as a reason to scumread me

[morph the cat]

fuckin meow. a 60 page scum pt.

[Hermit Crab]

viewtopic.php?p=12469370#p12469370

Notsci game with Cakez linked to when I decided I need to put my bird backpack on, anyone notice anything familiar!

[Brian Skies]

I forgot all about that Tenet game.

[Hermit Crab]

Lucky.

[morph the cat]

viewtopic.php?p=12469370#p12469370

Notsci game with Cakez linked to when I decided I need to put my bird backpack on, anyone notice anything familiar!

Am I supposed to be drawing a comparison/lack of comparison of Cakez here vs there? Or is this about your play here vs there.

Nothing today has called my read of you two into question.

[Dunnstral]

I'm still catching up but it's occurred to me that a paranoid cop always gets guilty results, so CSF is a bad choice for an investigative

It should evenly split the cops right?

If they get inno, then they are naive or insane.

If they get guilty they are sane or paranoid.

Which then helps us use their results later, right?

I mean, its possible that there is a better option, but I am not following why this makes CSF a bad option.

There is no way to tell the paranoid cop apart from the sane cop

[Lukewarm]

I'm still catching up but it's occurred to me that a paranoid cop always gets guilty results, so CSF is a bad choice for an investigative

It should evenly split the cops right?

If they get inno, then they are naive or insane.

If they get guilty they are sane or paranoid.

Which then helps us use their results later, right?

I mean, its possible that there is a better option, but I am not following why this makes CSF a bad option.

There is no way to tell the paranoid cop apart from the sane cop

And if they all target a townie, who then flips, there is no way to tell the naive cop apart from the sane cop.

Or if they all target a member of the mafia, who then flips, there is not way to tell the paranoid cop from the sane cop.

It seems to me like it will always take 1 test result (either on miller, or on someone who then flips), and then a result different then the test result no nail down exactly what results we are getting.

Doing the test result on the miller just skips needing to wait for the test result to flip.

(This is all thinking that starts with the assumption that the first round of cop results are all aimed at the same person to set up a litmus test, and I am not really sure what it looks like if they start out going on different targets.)

[Lukewarm]

Like, the result guilty result on a miller = Paranoid OR Sane. We do not know which yet.

But if that inventor's cop EVER gets an inno for the rest of the game, we know what that cop is the same cop, and if they had any prior guilties it can back date as true guilties.

And vice versa for the naive and insane.

[Firebringer]

@Firebringer I would like to see your Bingle case if you could write it

no, i am not doing it.

[Firebringer]

The post from FB also feels designed to give "look I have strong opinions on the game!" vibes but without anything to actually back it up

ur very scummy.

[Firebringer]

The post from FB also feels designed to give "look I have strong opinions on the game!" vibes but without anything to actually back it up

No but really, who thinks this is how i operate as scum. This is like thinking my scum game is in fact very weak when I take a lot of pride in my scum game.

[Firebringer]

i don't see the reasons for cakez scum. I know i misread him all the time so im going to outsource my read on him but like wtf is the case there?

I repeat what i said like 10 pages agon brian skies, I get the feeling and reason he is wagoned. ITs just the fact he is always wagoned day 1 in games i play with him and he is always town when it happens that makes me go that this is bad.

I just really want to elim bingle and im too lazy to case him or lead the charge there. Nor do i think anyone will listen to me (but honestly just using that as an excuse not to put in the effort to try)

This post is pinging me

What part?

a) it feels whiteknight-y of you while not really committing to the townread

b) I guess I'm surprised by how much he wants Bingle

That post pings me too.

Both what he said about brian and what he said about cakez feel like the kind of things scum might say to voice differing opinions on town wagons while also not actually saying anything that might slow down/stop the wagons in anyway.

Lukewarm however gets a pass because he is clueless on me

[Firebringer]

don't understand why he has repeatedly written large posts defending me

i feel like you of all people in this game, should be thinking this is at best NAI? So i am torn on this hot take from you on you being clueless.

Its like a well known meme between us that I defend you too often. And everytime I do, you end up being scum.
So you going "well this is weird" is in itself kind of weird. Because me defending you is is a sign that you are more likely scum than town lol.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

We are never same alignment anyways.

[Firebringer]

i did promise a few hours ago to do an analysis using 10 players reads list. Now lets see how hard it is to get 10 diff people reads list do this. This better take me less than 20 min to do.

[Firebringer]

The very first player i try to gather reads list. Lukewarm. Doesn't even have a list in his iso. I should fucking shame anyone who can't bother to give tldr versions of reads. I prefer lists that aren't over 50 pages old at this point too.


Ugh.
Okay, two things. Will give a brief update of my own reads list to use in this, and then continue hunting for reads list of other players. Then put a wall of shame for anyone who hasn't given me a list because if you think im going to try hunting for positions a person has of 22 players in ur isos right now. Ur kidding urself.

[Lukewarm]

@Firebringer, not sorted within categories.

Town

Hermit Crab
PookyTheMagicalBear

Town Lean

marcistar
Save The Dragons
Spiffeh
Dunnstral
Oblivion
Dannflor
Cat Scratch Fever

Null Town

Shello and Goodbye (Ydrasse & skitter30)

True Null

Gypyx
Bingle
PenguinPower

Null Scum

Sunflower (JupiterXV & fireisredsir)
Firebringer
Firebagel

Scum Lean

experience
Klick
Brian Skies
SirCakez

This read is currently in read jail:

morph the cat (fferyllt & Cabd)

[Lukewarm]

I know that pooky just did a reads list very recently

[Firebringer]

Theres actually a lot of people with either not posting reads list or so outdated I feel like its shit to use them.

I DEMAND EVERYONE GIVE ME READS LIST.

Pref in the format of:
Town-
Lean Town-
Null-
Lean Scum--
Scum-

Here are the people I want to hound for this: Dunnstral (give me updated one), Hermit Crabb, Firebagel, Morph, Gypyx,

Spoiler: Breakdown of my analysis

I am doing basic point system for how likely a player is scummy on my arbitrary system of seeing how close people are to saying a player is a null read. If a person is declared a null read. They get 5 points, if they are one step away from null they get 2. Otherwise they get 0 points.
If person only does Town/Null/Scum then only nulls get counted. I don't think many people do this.

Update: This is incomplete and I need to take away dunnstral points. His reads list is probably too old to use.

Current Points:

morph the cat - 0 + 0
Firebringer- 0 + 2
Brian Skies - 5 + 2
PookyTheMagicalBear - 0 +2
Dunnstral - 0 + 0
Gypyx - 5 + 2
Spiffeh - 0 + 0
marcistar - 0 + 0
Oblivion - 2 + 0
Hermit Crab - 0 + 0
Save The Dragons - 5 + 2
Shello and Goodbye - 2 + 2
experience - 2 + 2
Sunflower - 2+ 0
SirCakez - 2 + 2
Klick - 5 + 0
Bingle - 2 + 2
PenguinPower - 2 +2
Dannflor - 0 + 2
Lukewarm -0 + 2
Firebagel - 5 + 0
Cat Scratch Fever - 2 + 2

Spoiler: Fire Updated Reads

Strong Town: marcistar, Mroph the cat, Hermit, Spiffeh
Middle Town: Dunnstral, Pooky Dannflor, Lukewarm
Lean Town: sirCakez,Oblivion, Sunflower, Penguin, shello and Goodb
Nulls: Gypyx, Brian Skies, Klick, STD, Firebagel
Lean Scum: CSF, experience, Bingle

Spoiler: Dunnstral reads

a little old - viewtopic.php?p=14170283#p14170283
own:

marcistar
Oblivion
morph the cat
Hermit Crab


Lean town:

PookyTheMagicalBear
Firebringer
Save The Dragons
ActionDan
Shello and Goodbye
Cat Scratch Fever


Lean mafia:

Lukewarm
Brian Skies
Gypyx
Dannflor
PenguinPower
Bingle
SirCakez


Mafia?:

Firebagel
Spiffeh
Klick
Sunflower

Spoiler: Klick

from post viewtopic.php?t=92641&user_select%5B%5D=19776

TOWN
Cat Scratch Fever
Hermit Crab

PROBABLY TOWN
Dannflor
Oblivion
Firebagel
Shello and Goodbye

LEANING TOWN
ActionDan
marcistar
Gypyx
Lukewarm

LEFT
PookyTheMagicalBear
morph the cat
Firebringer
Brian Skies
Dunnstral
Spiffeh
Save The Dragons
Sunflower
SirCakez
Bingle
PenguinPower

Spoiler: Dannflor

PEOPLE I THINK ARE TOWN RNOW (in no particular order)
Firebringer
PookyTheMagicalBear
Dunnstral
Oblivion
Hermit Crab (anonymous hydra)
experience ActionDan
Sunflower
Klick
Lukewarm
Firebagel
Cat Scratch Fever

The unfortunate mess of leftovers (in no particular order)
morph the cat (fferyllt & Cabd)
Brian Skies
Gypyx
Spiffeh
marcistar
Save The Dragons
Shello and Goodbye (Ydrasse & skitter30)
SirCakez
Bingle
PenguinPower

from post viewtopic.php?p=14170986#p14170986

Spoiler: Pooky reads list

from post viewtopic.php?p=14173385#p14173385
Null Section [Not Enough Data]
PenguinPowa
Klick
Firebagel

[Firebringer]

if i was using something basic as a reads list to determine level of effort in this game. Most people in this game would be failiing id imagine. Idk how my low effort ass manages to get above probably half the playerlist.

[Firebringer]

then again a reads list isn't hard to make or effort and someone like lukewarm has def put way more analysis/effort than me without making a reads list until just 2 posts ago. So "making a reads list' = level of effort. Is insanely stupid metric.

But hey, i can shame everyone as much as i want. I am a grumpy dog today.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Townreads: Morph, Spiff, Lukewarm, Hermit Crab, Shello
Townleans: CSF, STD, Marci, Experience, Dunn, Firebringer, Dannflor
Null: Pengy, Klick, Firebagel
Scumleans: Oblivion, Bingle, Sunflower
Scumreads: Gypyx, Brian Skies, Cakez

[Sunflower]

im doing this for my firebuddy

town:
[hermit crab]
[oblivion, dunnstral, dannflor]
[shello&goodbye, lukewarm]

lean town:
[save the dragons]
[firebagel, bingle]

nulltown:
[gypyx, penguin]

conflicted:
[marci, sircakez, spiffeh, pooky, marci]

lean scum:
[morph the cat, actiondan, klick, firebringer, CSF]

scum:
[brian skies]

this readlist sucks im townreading too many people and i don't even really believe in my leanscums. something is wrong

[Sunflower]

i do not understand the points system