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Post Post #975 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:37 pm

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Post Post #976 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:38 pm

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VOTE: Klick
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Post Post #977 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:38 pm

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In post 969, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 967, Klick wrote: Spiffeh just seems towny to me. I haven't critically analysed my own thought process there, and doing so seems like busywork instead of legitimately helpful when no one is actually voicing a scumread on Spiffeh
This is not true. I am scumreading Spiffeh. Morph is scumreading Spiffeh.
I could have sworn I saw something from morph indicating one of them thought Spiffeh-town
But I haven't been very closely following morph's posts since I decided they were town
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Post Post #978 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:42 pm

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In post 970, Hermit Crab wrote: Can you elaborate more on the Firebagel/Oblivion reads?


I thought Firebagel's write-off of Oblivion as town in felt genuine
Overall my assessment of Firebagel is that she seems comfortable and wants to have fun and solve in a way that matches with a town perspective
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Post Post #979 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:46 pm

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In post 976, Dunnstral wrote: VOTE: Klick
Why are you voting for me?
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Post Post #980 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:48 pm

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I do not buy your perspective. You are clearing some players too easily and not paying attention to others. I do not think you have believable scumreads, except for Sunflower
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Post Post #981 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:49 pm

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Oh boy. It has the sense it is going to struggle with the speed of this game. It will begin to read at this moment, from where it left off, but if users had questions for it sufficient it could engage with them and begin mental modelling it would strongly prefer live interaction to combing through 30 pages.
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Post Post #982 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:53 pm

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In post 980, Dunnstral wrote: I do not buy your perspective. You are clearing some players too easily and not paying attention to others. I do not think you have believable scumreads, except for Sunflower
What makes you think that I have any scumreads aside from Sunflower?
Who do you think im clearing too easily?
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Post Post #983 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:54 pm

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In post 163, Spiffeh wrote: You seem to be concerned by both and I disagree with your stated reasons, particularly with Firebagel. I don't think anything about the quoted post you pointed out was hostile.

Dunn is currently my strongest town-read, for whatever that's worth seven pages into the game.
It actually has Firebagel as town. The issue is, the manner in which bagel entered created a lot of chaos that it needs to sort through. There is value for it in being able to become certain beyond certain doubt levels of Bagel's mental model and to mark them as town, because if it can do that it can reliably stake its life against killing them and prevent what looked like to it as an easy elimination that may occur later. To be honest, it worries about that kind of thing. It would rather solve slots like that now than in many many pages where paranoia takes over. It trusts itself in that manner.

It... will need an explaination of how Dunn can be your strongest town read. If possible, please only use evidence from Page 7 or before, since that is where this read originates from.
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Post Post #984 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:59 pm

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In post 982, Klick wrote: What makes you think that I have any scumreads aside from Sunflower?
In post you agree that strikethroughs are your townreads and bolded names are your scumreads/concerns.

You also clearly split up your list.

In post 982, Klick wrote: Who do you think im clearing too easily?
Spiffeh, Pooky, Oblivion, ActionDan, Firebagel, Brian Skies, Firebringer

If you are locking someone as town for 1 post they made in the first few pages of the game I do not find that believable at this point.
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Post Post #985 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:00 pm

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In post 317, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 294, morph the cat wrote: Your answer kinda answers your question. Why are you so curious about this?
I am trying to figure out why you ended up responding to that reads list seriously. Like I think that that reads list voiced between 0 to two (MAX) actual reads in in, so seeing you respond to it seriously raised questions.

For reference, Pooky's reads list was:
-The three people pooky bantered with about being/claiming scum on page 1 in the scum pile (, , )
-Firebringer in the highest possible town pile, as consistent with the dynamic between the two, where firebringer claims scum, and pooky calls him lock town, and firebringer pretends to be offended that pooky could even consider that a possibility. This played out in this very game before the reads list.
-PenguinPower, who has made 0 posts, in town. Once again, this appears to be a Pooky+PP dynamic, as I am like 90% sure I have seen pooky say basically the same thing as fb's .

That leaves the only two that had any chance of having *any* substance behind them being the STD and the Ydra/skitter hydra reads.

I am not familiar with pooky having a dynamic with them like the PP or FB one, so that is where I see the possibility of 0-2 actual reads being expressed here, but overall this just seems like the culmination of his early banter.

So seeing you respond, with specific critiques, made me wonder how you got there.
There is a lot to dive into here, but this post has a very interesting mentality. It is going to take a few guesses which have every possibility to be wrong, but you come across as paranoid or afraid here. How can it explain... like if you were staring down the barrel of something you have a healthy fear and respect for arguing that another thing in the distance isn't being given enough respect or concern for its threat either?

Can you elaborate on what your mental model of Morph and Pooky as players are is? For reference, that is simply how you view their playstyles, capabilities, talents, failings and such, and your confidence level in being able to interpret them for a correct result a % of the time with this knowledge.
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Post Post #986 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:05 pm

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In post 372, morph the cat wrote: NGL I (Neuter) was pretty pleased to be at the top of your middle until I realized it was probably because we were first in the player list order.
Is this slot the kind of player to be this bold and open with statements like this in general? This feels like something that it would generally townread a player for having the bravery to say.
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Post Post #987 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:07 pm

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In post 671, Sunflower wrote: i wanna explain things but some people don't like that for some reason zzzzzzzzz

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Does this response seem off to you too, morph? Context was right around the whole dethy reveal.
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Post Post #988 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:08 pm

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In post 986, Oblivion wrote:
In post 372, morph the cat wrote: NGL I (Neuter) was pretty pleased to be at the top of your middle until I realized it was probably because we were first in the player list order.
Is this slot the kind of player to be this bold and open with statements like this in general? This feels like something that it would generally townread a player for having the bravery to say.
Yes, that is on brand for that slot.
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Post Post #989 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:10 pm

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In post 987, Hermit Crab wrote:
In post 671, Sunflower wrote: i wanna explain things but some people don't like that for some reason zzzzzzzzz

:blossom:
Does this response seem off to you too, morph? Context was right around the whole dethy reveal.
Pretty much everything is out now so they should feel comfortable sharing now
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Post Post #990 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:10 pm

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In post 988, Hermit Crab wrote:
In post 986, Oblivion wrote:
In post 372, morph the cat wrote: NGL I (Neuter) was pretty pleased to be at the top of your middle until I realized it was probably because we were first in the player list order.
Is this slot the kind of player to be this bold and open with statements like this in general? This feels like something that it would generally townread a player for having the bravery to say.
Yes, that is on brand for that slot.
Tell it more about your impression of that slot and how it approaches games, and if possible can you compare it to how you approach games by manner of contrast?
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Post Post #991 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:10 pm

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In post 987, Hermit Crab wrote:
In post 671, Sunflower wrote: i wanna explain things but some people don't like that for some reason zzzzzzzzz

:blossom:
Does this response seem off to you too, morph? Context was right around the whole dethy reveal.
Wait, what do you mean by dethy reveal?
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Post Post #992 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:12 pm

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In post 981, Oblivion wrote: Oh boy. It has the sense it is going to struggle with the speed of this game. It will begin to read at this moment, from where it left off, but if users had questions for it sufficient it could engage with them and begin mental modelling it would strongly prefer live interaction to combing through 30 pages.
im curious if youre up to speed with the whole thing about the dephy hood. if not i suggest reading on that and coming back its the #hottesttopic rn.

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if someones frustrated do you think its more likely to be scum or town

(anyone respond to this)
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Post Post #993 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:13 pm

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In post 981, Oblivion wrote: Oh boy. It has the sense it is going to struggle with the speed of this game. It will begin to read at this moment, from where it left off, but if users had questions for it sufficient it could engage with them and begin mental modelling it would strongly prefer live interaction to combing through 30 pages.
Word. I just spent like two hours reading to get caught up. :dead:

I have some concerns about the setup and how everyone is just accepting that a hood is set up a particular way, given that this game is literally called "shell game" and the mod clearly knows what that is. :o
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Post Post #994 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:14 pm

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In post 990, Oblivion wrote:
In post 988, Hermit Crab wrote:
In post 986, Oblivion wrote:
In post 372, morph the cat wrote: NGL I (Neuter) was pretty pleased to be at the top of your middle until I realized it was probably because we were first in the player list order.
Is this slot the kind of player to be this bold and open with statements like this in general? This feels like something that it would generally townread a player for having the bravery to say.
Yes, that is on brand for that slot.
Tell it more about your impression of that slot and how it approaches games, and if possible can you compare it to how you approach games by manner of contrast?
We approach games in a very similar manner, with them being much more comfortable in a leading spot than myself. Both of us tend towards a more process of elimination style of play, preferably more conversational. They also are more focused on reserving opinions until they have data, whereas I can tend to be a bit headstrong.

Does this suffice?

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Post Post #995 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:14 pm

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In post 993, Firebagel wrote:
In post 981, Oblivion wrote: Oh boy. It has the sense it is going to struggle with the speed of this game. It will begin to read at this moment, from where it left off, but if users had questions for it sufficient it could engage with them and begin mental modelling it would strongly prefer live interaction to combing through 30 pages.
Word. I just spent like two hours reading to get caught up. :dead:

I have some concerns about the setup and how everyone is just accepting that a hood is set up a particular way, given that this game is literally called "shell game" and the mod clearly knows what that is. :o
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Post Post #996 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:15 pm

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In post 994, Hermit Crab wrote:
In post 990, Oblivion wrote:
In post 988, Hermit Crab wrote:
In post 986, Oblivion wrote:
In post 372, morph the cat wrote: NGL I (Neuter) was pretty pleased to be at the top of your middle until I realized it was probably because we were first in the player list order.
Is this slot the kind of player to be this bold and open with statements like this in general? This feels like something that it would generally townread a player for having the bravery to say.
Yes, that is on brand for that slot.
Tell it more about your impression of that slot and how it approaches games, and if possible can you compare it to how you approach games by manner of contrast?
We approach games in a very similar manner, with them being much more comfortable in a leading spot than myself. Both of us tend towards a more process of elimination style of play, preferably more conversational. They also are more focused on reserving opinions until they have data, whereas I can tend to be a bit headstrong.

Does this suffice?

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It helps quite a bit. May it provide a hypothetical situation and have you describe how you would handle it and then how you believe morph would?
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Post Post #997 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:16 pm

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Sure, and I’m sure morph will tease me if I’m incorrect.
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Post Post #998 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:18 pm

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In post 992, marcistar wrote:
if someones frustrated do you think its more likely to be scum or town

(anyone respond to this)
Probably largely dependent on the person and the situation; I know people can townread frustration easily but that can be dangerous.
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Post Post #999 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:18 pm

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In post 997, Hermit Crab wrote: Sure, and I’m sure morph will tease me if I’m incorrect.
You are town and a player claims a guitly against you, how do you react?
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