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Sandbox Queue Thread (Players and Mods)

Post Post #0 (ISO) » Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:23 am

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Sandbox Forum


The Sandbox Forum serves to facilitate ad-hoc
Quick Games
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To run in the Sandbox Forum, a game must have the following qualities:
  1. The game must have deadlines for phases that last no longer than 72 hours.
  2. The game should be organized by the game moderator independently from the listmod oversight typical of the other queues.
  3. The game must be mafia, or a similar social deduction game traditionally held on Marathon Weekends, such as Blood on the Clocktower, Conspiracy, etc.
This thread serves as the Queue thread and informational hub for the Sandbox Forum. Feel free to advertise your games, host sign-ups, ask questions, or even just egopost in this thread. If you have any questions or concerns, you can also always contact a
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:24 am

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Forum Information

Game logistics:

Game moderators may use this forum to run games at their own discretion. Primarily, this forum aims to suit the need for spontaneous and short ad-hoc games. There will be no formal queue structure, nor will there be a limit on the number of games that may be in sign-ups at any one time.

Listmods will have limited oversight over this forum. This may include:
  1. Periodically archiving threads for games that are finished or didn't fill.
  2. Responding to reports of rule infractions that occur in this forum.
  3. When available and able, responding quickly to any situations we're alerted to that can't seem to be resolved by the game's moderator.
Game types:

Games in this forum can be open or closed setups. They can be themed or unthemed. They can have any number of players. They can be played in the Sandbox Forum or the MafiaScum Discord. The key qualifying factors for games in this forum are: (1) they have deadlines shorter than 72 hours, and (2) they are self-managed by the game moderator.
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:25 am

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Player Information

Requirements for joining games:

By default, there are no requirements for players joining Sandbox Games. However, game moderators may choose to specify additional requirements, such as a minimum amount of experience, a minimum number of games played, or requiring alts to disclose their identities to the game moderator. You can check the game description to confirm whether you are eligible to join the game.

Joining games:

To join a game currently in signups, you simply need to post "/in," or some variation of that, within the game's thread. If you change your mind after signing up for a game and before the game begins, you need to post "/out" to indicate that you no longer wish to play the game.

Game limits:

Games in this forum do not count towards the limit of concurrent games you may play in elsewhere on this site. Additionally, there are no limits on the number of games you may play in here simultaneously; we do ask, however, that you use your best judgement, as these games are typically very fast-paced. For shorter (ie: Marathon) games particularly, it may be best to stick to one game at a time.

Player priority:

In the event that a game has been advertised but sign-ups haven't been posted yet, players may contact a moderator privately to tentatively reserve a slot. The allowance of slot reservations/"pre-ins" is left to the discretion of the game's moderator. Once a game is in sign-ups, slots are first-come, first-serve.

Game moderators can reject signups from players for any reason, referred to as "Wisdom of the Mod" (WOTM). Although player blacklists will not be enforced at a listmod level, players may contact a game moderator if they have issues with other players signing up for a game. It is ultimately up to the game moderator whether they will reject signups from other players based on this information.

Hydra accounts:

A hydra is an account that two or more people play from but that is treated as one player slot in the game ("one body, multiple heads").

Hydras may play in the Sandbox Forum if the game's moderator allows it. By default, hydras must publicly declare themselves as such and reveal the identities of their main accounts when signing up for a game. Game moderators can choose to change the restrictions on hydras for their game, including:
  • completely prohibiting hydras
  • setting a maximum number of hydras allowed in the game
  • setting a maximum number of hydra heads allowed in the game (either per account or collectively)
  • allowing hydras to keep the identities of their main accounts hidden from the player list and/or game moderator (note that hydras may still be required to reveal their identities at the game moderator's request later on in certain cases, i.e. if a rule infraction occurs)
Please check the game description for any additional requirements listed by the game moderator. Note that you will always be required to declare your account as a hydra and may never join as a hydra masquerading as an individual account, as this violates site rules.

Alt accounts:

Any account other than a player's main account is considered an alternate or alt account. Alts are not required by default to declare themselves or reveal the identity of their main account when signing up for a game. However, game moderators may choose to require all alts to disclose their identities to the game moderator. You may also be requested to reveal the identity of your main account later on in certain cases, i.e. if a rule infraction occurs.
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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:25 am

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Moderator Information

Experience requirements:

To moderate a Sandbox game, you must have one completed game on this site. Sandbox games do not count as completed games when calculating experience requirements for players or moderators.

In order to create a game thread, qualified mods must first join the Sandbox Game Mod group. This group allows you to post threads in the Sandbox forum, as well as create any private topics you may need in the private topic forum (game moderators, of course, may utilize/allow other forms of private communication if they desire, such as Discord). See below for more information on joining the Sandbox permissions group.

If you have experience moderating offsite games, you may request these games to be considered as equivalent experience. It is up to the Listmod's discretion whether they will qualify.

Setup requirements:

Games must meet the following criteria to be ran in the Sandbox Forum:
  1. The game must have deadlines for phases that last no longer than 72 hours.
  2. The game should be organized by the game moderator independently from the listmod oversight typical of the other queues.
  3. The game must be mafia, or a similar social deduction game traditionally held on Marathon Weekends, such as Blood on the Clocktower, Conspiracy, etc.
Review requirements:

Reviews are not necessary in order to run a game in this forum. You are, of course, welcome to seek out reviewers in the Setup Review Thread if desired. You may designate a game as reviewed if any only if the listed reviewers approved the final version, including Role PMs and results messages. Sandbox games will not be reviewed for normalcy by the NRG, but you are free to run an unreviewed game and declare that you believe it follows normal guidelines, if you wish.

Queue/game limitations:

Game moderators may run a maximum of one game in the Sandbox forum at a time, unless prior listmod approval is given for a special exception. You may, however, run a Sandbox game concurrently with other long-form games you may be running, and Sandbox games do not count towards the moderation limits that exist throughout the other queues.

Sign-up responsibilities:

Game moderators are responsible for handling their game's sign-ups however they see fit. Game moderators may solicit interested players before a game goes into signups in order to reserve slots ("pre-ins"). Once a game has entered signups, the game moderator must list any pre-ins in the game's thread. It is the game moderator's responsibility to make sure that players with pre-in slots confirm them in a timely fashion.

Game moderators can reject signups from players for any reason, referred to as "Wisdom of the Mod" (WOTM). The game moderator has final discretion over their player list.

Moderation activity expectations:

Moderators are responsible for seeing their game to completion. Moderators should start their game in a timely fashion, or inform players if a game can't run. Moderators should post periodic vote counts, and process phase changes and any actions in a timely fashion. You should treat moderating a game as a commitment. Failure to follow these expectations may result in restrictions with regards to running games in this forum or in other queues.

Other game moderator expectations:

Game moderators must follow the Rules for Mafia Game Moderators section of the Forum Rules and Guidelines.

Game elements at moderator discretion:

The following game elements can be decided at a game moderator’s discretion, and may be announced within the game thread by the moderator:
  1. Hydra policy
    : By default, hydras can enter any game in the Sandbox forum, and must publicly declare themselves as hydras and reveal the identities of their main accounts when signing up for a game. However, game moderators can choose to change the restrictions on hydras for their game, including:
    1. completely prohibiting hydras
    2. setting a maximum number of hydras allowed in the game
    3. setting a maximum number of hydra heads allowed in the game (either per account or collectively)
    4. allowing hydras to keep the identities of their main accounts hidden from the player list and/or game moderator (note that game moderators can still require hydras to reveal their identities later on in certain cases, i.e. if a rule infraction occurs)
  2. Alt policy
    : Alts are not required by default to declare themselves or reveal the identity of their main account when signing up for a game. However, game moderators may choose to require all alts to disclose their identities to the game moderator. Game moderators can also require alts to reveal their main account later on in certain cases, i.e. if a rule infraction occurs.
  3. Player list discretion
    : Game moderators have full discretion over their player lists, including the use of WOTM or WOTC, as well as whether they wish to consider blacklists. Game moderators should exercise this discretion over player signups by privately contacting players to let them know their signup is not being accepted. If a player does not remove their signup on their own, the game moderator may then post publicly in the queue thread to remove the player’s signup.
    1. Wisdom of the Mod (WOTM): The game moderator can choose to reject players from their player list at their own discretion.
    2. Wisdom of the Crowd (WOTC)/Blacklisting: Players can privately contact the game moderator if a player signs up after them that they will not play with. The game moderator has discretion over whether to accept the player’s signup. Generally this option requires multiple players to WOTC a player before a game moderator would choose not to accept a player’s signup, although ultimately the game moderator can decide the threshold they require in order to remove a player’s signup.
  4. Other restrictions on players
    : Game moderators can choose to require players to meet other criteria to be eligible to play, such as a minimum number of games played or an experience requirement.
  5. Requesting exceptions to site rules
    : Game moderators can request certain exceptions to the site’s mafia rules, including players being able to replace back into their slot after previously replacing out, allowing discussion of their game in other threads while it is ongoing, requesting to be able to use site users in flavor without requiring listmod review of the text, etc. Game moderators may not supersede site rules without prior Listmod approval.
Game moderators should also describe any other nonstandard elements to their setup or rules when starting up a new game. Game moderators are required to disclose if their game has any bastard elements, such as moderator lies, secret win-conditions, direct moderator influence, non-random role assignment, etc.
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:25 am

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Creating Games

Sandbox Game Mod Group:

You must join the Sandbox Game Mod group in order to run games in this forum. This group will give you the necessary privileges to create any private topics you may need. To allow for spontaneity, this group is open, but keep in mind that you can only run games in the forum if you have completed one or more game on this site outside of the Sandbox Forum, or received a special exception from a listmod.

To join the group, you simply need to follow this link, click the radio button for the group, and then click "submit" at the bottom. If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to Skygazer.

Running Games:

Once you have the necessary permissions, the only thing left to do is create a thread (and if you'd like advertise your game in this Queue)! You may take sign-ups for your game in your game thread, or you may hold sign-ups in this thread. Keep in mind that your game thread should contain a list of the players and information about your game (ie: setup info, policies regarding alts and hydras, disclosure of unusual elements). Your thread should also clearly state when you intend to run your game. The thread subject is a useful place to visibly state important info, such as the estimated start time, as well as how many players you currently have signed up. If you've never ran a game in this format before, it is highly recommended that you look around at other games to get an idea of the best practices.

To facilitate your game, you may utilize other forms of communication as necessary. This includes private messages, private threads, and Discord. Once you are a member of the Sandbox Game Mod group, you are free to create private threads in the Private Topics forum.

This thread contains a more in-depth guide explaining how to run games on this website, but keep in mind that the Sandbox Forum is generally looser and more spontaneous than the other queues.
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2024 1:43 pm

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And I'll kick this off by saying that I plan on running a game of Divide and Conquer tomorrow, or possibly something smaller if it doesn't fill. I'll be taking sign-ups in the game thread here.
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:07 pm

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I'll be doing Blood on the Clocktower for 9 players next Saturday starting at 3pm. Sign-up thread is here
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:34 pm

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I scumread Alianna.

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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:48 am

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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:55 am

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Ego
Robbed of a scummy for what had to be the best unvote in mafiascum history.
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:38 am

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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2024 8:13 am

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I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2024 10:39 am

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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:05 am

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datisi hosting secret hitler? in my sandbox queue? it's more likely than you think. viewtopic.php?t=92829
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Thu Jun 20, 2024 11:29 am

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i'm running a 72 hour deadline jester nightless blitz: viewtopic.php?t=92832
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:10 am

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at last ! (or maybe not, this was a pretty small thing that people didn't care that much about) my conspiracy mod returns ! with 7 players this time, for even more confusion, a single day, 48 hours, short and sweet !

go here ------> viewtopic.php?t=92836
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:03 am

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What does ego mean?
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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:18 am

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In post 16, C-Worl wrote: What does ego mean?
Good question! Up in the top left corner there's a link called "Your posts." This feature is also commonly referred to as an "egosearch," and as you probably know, it contains all of the threads you have posted in. When people post "ego," it just means they want the thread to show up in their egosearch.
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:22 am

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In post 17, Skygazer wrote:
In post 16, C-Worl wrote: What does ego mean?
Good question! Up in the top left corner there's a link called "Your posts." This feature is also commonly referred to as an "egosearch," and as you probably know, it contains all of the threads you have posted in. When people post "ego," it just means they want the thread to show up in their egosearch.
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:29 am

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eggs
the jester game was 11/10
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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:30 am

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In post 19, ketchup777 wrote: eggs
the jester game was 11/10
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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2024 8:57 am

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I am running a slightly modified / rebalanced version of NewD3 with 48 hour day deadlines. Find the game here!
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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Tue Jul 02, 2024 11:54 am

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I'm running Normal Mental Mafia. You get to use whatever ability you want; so long as it hasn't been used yet!
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:13 pm

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i'm running a popcorn mafia game with an unlimited number of players, if you want a fast paced casual game get in, game starts tomorrow viewtopic.php?t=92860
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Post Post #24 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2024 11:37 am

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We're running a dayless setup with 24 hour deadlines, can you figure out who's who and kill mafia just from the nightkills? viewtopic.php?t=92880
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