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[Civil Scum]

I’m waiting to see what Nicole does.

[Civil Scum]

Traceon, why have you been so dead set on Cathedral yet Nicole has been after me?

[geraintm]

so whats the case for cworl? like its the most replaced slot?

I thought BEF was decent in early game and I like the fact that she is open to pruning cathedral so like whats the cliffnotes behind this play

i saw a really weird interaction early on between this slot and The fool.

[jmo16mla]

so whats the case for cworl? like its the most replaced slot?

I thought BEF was decent in early game and I like the fact that she is open to pruning cathedral so like whats the cliffnotes behind this play

i saw a really weird interaction early on between this slot and The fool.

Can you find it?

[C-Worl]

I’m not TRing Furtive anymore. Prolly scum. Lim them after I flip green.

[furtiveglance]

so whats the case for cworl? like its the most replaced slot?

I thought BEF was decent in early game and I like the fact that she is open to pruning cathedral so like whats the cliffnotes behind this play

i saw a really weird interaction early on between this slot and The fool.

Can you find it?

Geraint for instance had made the most surface level boring analysis of the elimination wagon where he calls everyone on it scummy, and I don't know where that leads us because I pretty much disagree.

Based on the first few pages of this new day phase, do you have any reads? So far I townlean The Fool for trying to drive forward the game, and I might have a thought about Cathedral's alignment but I want her to answer my questions first.

yeah, dull but for me it is a start and the entire response to it was i think one person going "hey, i think it will be in the tail end of the wagon". no one else has done anything today to progress the game - you say The Fool is trying to drive forward the game but i have just looked over their ISO because i don't remember them doing that and i realised i was wrong, they have.

except they are all posts after this one. 2665 and 2671 .

so i am really, really confused. how can you be saying they are progressing the game in this post, 2661 and yet they havent yet.

have you been reading posts from them somewhere else where they have this planned out??????

this reply did not go as i expected.

VOTE: dragoneater

Lol. You just said that only one person replied to your analysis with anything substantial, talking about how the scum would probably be later on the wagon. That person is The Fool, yet you think they hadn't posted anything substantial to advance the game before post 2661? Check 2595 and 2654.

Just to be clear, are you actually voting for me because you think I somehow PT slipped by talking about future posts we planned together? Because that's incredibly silly.

yes, they havent posted anything substantial.

yeah... except for all of T3s cool music =)

gera why specifically do you think the first 3 contains scum and not the rest of the wagon? (yes I know this is why me fry me idc I actually don't understand the arbitrary cutoff at first three)

Seconding this.

I would have thought the last 3 contained scum. Particularly Trekkie voting after Deus unvoted to keep the L-1 open to lolhammer. It was like whatever that move in Volleyball is where you set someone else up to spike.

that is the 1st post you told me to look at, which is just a response to mine and saying the last 3 people

and this

VOTE: Psyche

RVS vote

VOTE: Psyche

Serious vote

which you have also as a serious post.

so yes, i think you slipped because you remembered them talking about stuff in the scum chat they were going to say before they said it

[C-Worl]

VOTE: furtiveglance

[C-Worl]

100% scumflip guaranteed

[furtiveglance]

I’m not TRing Furtive anymore. Prolly scum. Lim them after I flip green.

What changed your mind?

[jmo16mla]

Im now imagining furtive pulling that from the scum chat because he answered for geranium so quick.

[C-Worl]

I’m not TRing Furtive anymore. Prolly scum. Lim them after I flip green.

What changed your mind?

v This v

Spoiler:

so whats the case for cworl? like its the most replaced slot?

I thought BEF was decent in early game and I like the fact that she is open to pruning cathedral so like whats the cliffnotes behind this play

So, now that I’m aware that The Fool is claiming 2-Shot JK, I do actually think we should wait to yeet them.

Yh I think we should wait until tonight so I can have a good sleep knowing we eliminated a mafia

VOTE: Cathedral

I think it’s a good idea to keep the JK alive for one more night

Fake Jailkeeper!

Enchant makes a decent point about C-worl slot, has been fairly contentless so far.

I don’t believe Enchant thinks I’m scum.

I do believe that Enchant could be partnered with The Fool and trying to turn me into a counterwagon.

If we want to give The Fool another day to prove themselves as the 2-Shot JK they claimed we could always flip Enchant instead.

Seems better than flipping Cathedral for being inactive

This is a strange response.

I don’t believe Enchant thinks I’m scum.

I do believe that Enchant could be partnered with The Fool and trying to turn me into a counterwagon.

If we want to give The Fool another day to prove themselves as the 2-Shot JK they claimed we could always flip Enchant instead.

Seems better than flipping Cathedral for being inactive

It's so weirdly defensive and threatened. Reads as extremely self-preserving.

You don’t think that, in response to the guy you’ve been hard pushing being 2 away and me claiming that I’ll hammer if 1 more votes there, Enchant suddenly starts pushing me for my activity, when the second big wagon is already based off inactivity anyway, is suspicious?

- You haven't voted for my big scumread, so you can't play that card on me.

- I don't think Enchant is scum regardless of your alignment.-

- Your argument suggests that anyone pushing a TheFool voter/suspect is suspicious, which applies to half the lobby.

[Nicole and Dime, Titus, C-Worl] has scum.

FurtiveGlance makes me nervous but their handling of The Fool seems unlikely to be scum.

Nicole and Dime’s posting also feels off.

Hard TRing Gera. Just doesn’t make sense with Enchant NK.

1) I'm not surprised I make you nervous - is it the way I casually drop your name into scumteams? My reasons for scumreading you are
a) historic reservations about your slot (can't be helped so I won't dwell on it)
b) argued we should wait to vote TheFool and joined the suspicious Cathedral wagon
c) strange response to Enchant push which I commented on before
d) Enchant kill

2) Interested in the 'also' - does my posting feel off like Nicole's?

3) Why wouldn't geraint kill Enchant?

Enchant was aggro on C-worl as well, I notice having just flicked through end of yesterday. I might have mischaracterised earlier if I implied Enchant was more on geraint than C-worl.

It's a shame Fitz died since he was the only player reading the game exactly like I was. I want to look at his and Enchant + AD's suspects later, but for now I'll go through my thoughts on the other players.

jmo16mla

- As I said before, I think this slot was town spewed by TheFool's flip, since Gamma Emerald was so clear in their suspicion of TF.

LH75

- Pretty sure this slot is town for similar reasons as above between SMuffin and TF.

Civil Scum

- Comfortable with a townread for the moment. CS has shown plenty of deeper thought about the game, including in 3566 and 3828. I'd be impressed if CS was scum.

geraintm

- approach to the DragonEater/TheFool slip argument was weird, as was refusal to vote TF, but it did show an interesting theory which might be +town. I have a gut townread for some reason, but I can only justify null.

Trace0n

- has shown some towny intent but overall scum sided. I don't like the jump from 'I ...like Titus' in 3737 to the sudden E-2 in 3792 which offloads responsibility. Lack of unvote in 3799 is weird - I would expect an unvote from a town!Trace0n here, if they TRed Titus and a CW was available.

Cathedral

- near contentless. It would be a crime if this slot endgamed, but I also get the sense scum might be waiting to cash in a mislim here. Voted correct on TF, so go figure.

NicoleAndDime

- I have an overall scumread here, ever since the D1 E-1 on Hiraki while promising to catch up, taking that opportunity away from herself by reducing the time(!) I also think if Cathedral is town then Nicole is almost certainly scum for waving that around as her only scumread. 3866 isn't a good defence, and I'm not sure whose scumread of her it's intended to address. Only saving grace here is voted TF a couple times.

C-Worl

- I have a gut scumread here from too much voting and not enough posting. Just feels lurky and empty, and I think Enchant's early demise can be explained by C-worl being scum. I still think 3482 and 3494 are very scummy, suggestive and self-preserving.

To be clear, I'm open to discussion, and aware that some of my scumreads must be town. Hence, I would love to discuss with everyone and don't feel disheartened if I scumread you.

I'm just not seeing town thought from C-worl, her posts look reactive and voting looks mechanical.

I seem to be a popular choice

Reads/setup thoughts?

Readslist would be great

Civil Scum and FurtiveGlance are either scum or carrying the game for scum, hard to tell which.

You really think you should be obvious town here? Why?

C-worl,
You repped into a slot with bad credit history, hammered a couple times, and said you refuse to read any of the game before you arrived.
Most of your live posting has been defensive or pushing a lurker.

^ You just isod yourself and quotes every mention of me, ignoring context, responses to questions, etc. It’s not only extremely lazy, but extremely bad faith as well.

Town doesn’t do this to convince other townies of a SR. Scum do this to push through a mislim.

[furtiveglance]

I just thought I'd be repeating myself if I typed a new post

[C-Worl]

It also shows that you can’t remember your exact case off the top of your head, like a townie would, so you’d rather quote the posts you’ve already made rather than risk contradicting yourself.

[furtiveglance]

Nuh uh

I'm not a forgetful person.

I also chose to quote myself because those posts contained first hand instances of your sussy posting

[C-Worl]

Nuh uh

I'm not a forgetful person.

I also chose to quote myself because those posts contained first hand instances of your sussy posting

Wow. What a convincing argument.

[NicoleAndDime]

I’m waiting to see what Nicole does.

In what sense?

[Trace0n]

Traceon, why have you been so dead set on Cathedral yet Nicole has been after me?

Cathedral is objectively a worse slot than you and you should not be flipped before cathedral.

Cathedral, if town, is going to lose the game for us if allowed to survive to ELO or MELO. She is not playing, full stop. So its either lurking scum or town that will unilaterally throw the game in ELO/MELO

[Trace0n]

so whats the case for cworl? like its the most replaced slot?

I thought BEF was decent in early game and I like the fact that she is open to pruning cathedral so like whats the cliffnotes behind this play

i saw a really weird interaction early on between this slot and The fool.

find it please and quote

[Trace0n]

Furtive I saw you case, thanks for providing. I kinda get where cworl is coming from and you know Ive been paranoid about your slot for awhile being the powerwolf. Like I could see you/TF/cathedral or you/TF/geraintm

Idk like you could just be townie playing a strong game, but parts of your play feel a little TMI and it makes me wonder why Enchant was elimmed over you despite you spearheading TF

All this is to say Im not convinced cworl is a better play than cathedral here. The slot is a festering wound, it needs to be cauterized

[furtiveglance]

so whats the case for cworl? like its the most replaced slot?

I thought BEF was decent in early game and I like the fact that she is open to pruning cathedral so like whats the cliffnotes behind this play

i saw a really weird interaction early on between this slot and The fool.

find it please and quote

I literally put it on this page

Furtive I saw you case, thanks for providing. I kinda get where cworl is coming from and you know Ive been paranoid about your slot for awhile being the powerwolf. Like I could see you/TF/cathedral or you/TF/geraintm

Idk like you could just be townie playing a strong game, but parts of your play feel a little TMI and it makes me wonder why Enchant was elimmed over you despite you spearheading TF

All this is to say Im not convinced cworl is a better play than cathedral here. The slot is a festering wound, it needs to be cauterized

I think Enchant was killed because of what they said about C-worl (ISO Enchant, one of their last posts is going in on C-worl).

I don't think I've played that well, I've led 2 wagons and had a 50% hit rate.

Also, there doesn't have to always be a powerwolf.

Agree on Cathedral, it might be wishful thinking to hope we can win without eliminating them. Cathedral is my 2nd choice today, but I think C-worl is scum.

[Civil Scum]

I’m waiting to see what Nicole does.

In what sense?

Who are you going to vote for?

[Civil Scum]

Traceon, obviously I agree that Cathedral is completely useless here and won't even provide the barest of explanations for anything even after being asked, but I kind of like where she's voting.

I think Enchant bread crumbed PR and obviously crumbed a guilty on Gera and was either killed by him or Gera was framed for it.

[Cathedral]

nicole w

[NicoleAndDime]

I’m waiting to see what Nicole does.

In what sense?

Who are you going to vote for?

Not C-worl unless we get to deadline
Probably cathedral

But you peobably should've already known that

[geraintm]

so whats the case for cworl? like its the most replaced slot?

I thought BEF was decent in early game and I like the fact that she is open to pruning cathedral so like whats the cliffnotes behind this play

i saw a really weird interaction early on between this slot and The fool.

find it please and quote

Furtive found it, is that ok?