Newbie 2037 - Game Over

[Micc]

Newbie 2037

Moderated by Micc

Players:

Bakslash
Rockhopper
Norfolk Boy1
Facebones
MiniMegabyte
wiyvern padwag
ItalianoVD (SE)
Dunnstral (SE)
NorwegianboyEE Billy Pilgrim (SE)

SE - indicates a Semi-Experienced player, a player who has played at least two games on MafiaScum.net

Spoiler: Alive

Rockhopper
MiniMegabyte
Dunnstral

Spoiler: Dead

Facebones, Vanilla Townie
Bakslash, town vanilla
Norfolk Boy1, town tracker
wiyvern, town doctor
ItalianoVD, town vanilla

NorwegianboyEE, mafia goon

Important Events:

Day 1 Begins | wiyvern replaces padwag | NorwegianboyEE replaces Billy Pilgrim

[Micc]

Game Rules

General Rules/Game Etiquette

1. Obey all Site-wide Rules.
   
2. Communication outside the thread (if your role specifically allows it) is allowed until the game begins.
   
3. You may not quote private communication of any kind. This includes moderator-supplied information (either real or fabricated) of any kind. Paraphrasing (for role claims, etc.) is acceptable.
   
4. There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings unless your role PM specifically allows it.

Activity/Prods/Replacements

1. Prods of missing players will be issued after 36 hours of no activity.
   
2. A prodded player has 24 hours to respond to the prod, after which time a replacement search will begin. The prodded player may re-enter the game so long as no replacement has been found.
   
3. A player who has been prodded 3 times is subject to possible replacement without further notice.
   
4. If you anticipate being unavailable for more than 36 hours please PM me or post in the thread to declare V/LA.
   
5. I reserve the right to force replace players who need extensively long V/LA at my own discretion.

Deadlines

1. Deadlines for this game will be 10 days for Day 1 and 7 days for following Day Phases. Night Phases will last 48 hours.
   
2. Extensions are given only in extreme circumstances.
   
3. If you have a role with a Night action your choices are due to me by the posted deadline. If I do not receive your choice via PM by the posted deadline you will forfeit your actions.

Player Actions/Voting/Player Death

1. A simple majority of all living players must agree on one person (via voting) for an Elimination to occur (simple majority = ½ # of living players +1, rounded down). If no one has a simple majority of votes at deadline a No Elimination will occur.
   
2. Votes must be bolded or use the [.vote] tags to be counted (e.g.
   Vote: Player
   or VOTE: Player).
   
3. Unvotes are not necessary before changing votes.
   
4. You may
   Vote: No Elimination
   - a simple majority of these vote types are required to send the game to Night phase without an Elimination.
   
5. Votes made using nicknames or abbreviations will be counted at my discretion. Fake vote gambits should be executed at your own peril. If I think its a vote, then its a vote.

Miscellaneous

1. I will use
   Bolded Dark Blue
   (#004080) for Mod posts. Don't impersonate me. No invisible/small/encrypted text is allowed.
   
2. Any situation not explicitly covered above is subject to my discretion and will be handled as I see fit on a case-by-case basis.

[Micc]

Setup Information

NewD3 (as designed by RadiantCowbells):

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Mason and Town Mason	Town Tracker and Town Doctor	Town Mason and Town Mason

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role.
The remaining six roles will be filled in by

one mafia goon

and

five vanilla townies

appropriately, to create a

2-mafia

and

7-town

setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.

Mafia Roleblocker

action takes precedence over a

Town Jailkeeper

action should that apply.

Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times.

Spoiler: List of Setups

Column A & Row 1:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 2:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 3:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 1:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 2:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 3:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column C & Row 1:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 2:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 3:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Spoiler: Sample Role PM's

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Jailkeeper

Welcome!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Cop

Welcome!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Mason

Welcome!

You are a

Town Mason

.

You know that PLAYER NAME is Town-aligned. You also share a Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You have no active abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town Tracker

Welcome!

You are a

Town Tracker

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Doctor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Friendly Neighbor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Friendly Neighbor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be sent a message informing them that you are Town-aligned.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

Your partner is PLAYERNAME who is a

Mafia Goon/Roleblocker/Rolecop

. Together you share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Rolecop

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

Your partner is PLAYERNAME who is a

Mafia Goon

. Together you share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Roleblocker

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

Your partner is PLAYERNAME who is a

Mafia Goon

. Together you share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

[Micc]

Introduction and Tips

Here are some helpful links (a lot of them from our helpful wiki):

-> Forum Rules and Guidelines
-> The Glossary
-> Commonly Used Abbreviations
-> The Newbie Guide
-> Articles on How to Play Well (be sure to check the dates these were written/updated, as good advice changes over time)

Key Concepts and Tips

Activity

Try to check in at least once a day.

Besides the activity requirements listed in the moderator's original post, it's just necessary for a fun and healthy game that everyone

plays

. If you post very rarely, or only post a little bit at a time, you may get scumread for lurking. Even if you are not scumread for it, what's the fun in playing a game where multiple people are hardly participating?

Site Meta

Meta is the description of how people on Mafiascum like to play mafia. Things can be different on other online mafia sites, or if you play IRL, so it's good to know what's expected of you on this site. These aren't "rules", per se, but if you don't follow these guidelines it is likely things will go poorly for you on MS. Some examples are...

Random Voting Stage (RVS)

Games on MafiaScum almost always begin with what we call the Random Voting Stage (RVS). At this point in the game, we are in a low information game state (except the mafia, which know everyone’s alignment). As a way to provoke reaction, start a discussion, and try to determine alignment, people will usually vote for non-serious reasons. As the discussion progresses, we will eventually get the game moving and progress out of RVS.

Voting, E-x, and Hammers

E-x is a way to convey how far away a player is away from elimination. For example, you should always announce that you are putting someone at E-1 (1 vote away from an elimination) so that someone doesn’t come along and accidentally vote for that player's elimination. This also prevents Mafia-aligned players from coming along and placing the final vote to eliminate (“hammer”) and claiming ignorance about doing so. You may also see E-2 and E-3 (2 votes away from elimination and 3 votes away from elimination, respectively).

Before you hammer a player, state your intent to hammer (usually done in bold) and ask the player to claim their role. This is done to prevent power roles from being eliminated, and can sometimes get Mafia-aligned players to be caught (via counter claiming). It's best to then allow other players to react and discuss the claim before hammering.

Claiming Your Role

It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at E-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates. An exception to this would be if a mafia player claimed your role, claiming early to counter the false claim (“CC”) would out the mafia player, and would be a benefit to the town.

Do not fake claim a power role as town!

While it may help you avoid getting eliminated, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counterclaiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get eliminated for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.

ELo

ELo is the shortened representation of “Eliminate or Lose.” ELo in the Newbie Queue is when there are 3 remaining players, 2 of which are town and 1 is mafia; or when there are 5 remaining players, 3 of which are town and 2 are mafia. It is important in these situations that the town aligned players do not carelessly vote like is done during RVS or early days, as the mafia player(s) can organize and instantly provide the necessary votes to eliminate (“quickhammer”) and win the game.

Conclusion

Mafia is hard!

As town, it can be hard to figure things out, and stressful when people think you're scum.

That's okay!

Just share your thoughts on who you think is scum as they come to you, and don't be afraid to change your mind. As scum, it can be hard to lie convincingly, and stressful when people think you're scum. Don't let that scare you! Try to think of what you would post if you were town, and don't be afraid to "change your mind".

This is a game.

Have fun!

[Micc]

Role PM's are sent out. Please confirm using the method described by your Role PM.

If at least seven players have confirmed, the game will begin at 11am CST, or in (expired on 2020-10-20 12:00:00).

[Micc]

Everyone has confirmed. It is now Day 1.

Votecount 1.00

Not Voting (9) -

Bakslash, Rockhopper, Norfolk Boy1, Facebones, MiniMegabyte, padwag, ItalianoVD, Dunnstral, Billy Pilgrim

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-10-30 12:15:00).

[Billy Pilgrim]

First!

VOTE: Dunnstral

That move you pulled in the newbie with me and Bailey was foul.

[ItalianoVD]

Hello everyone!

[Norfolk Boy1]

Hi all.

Here's to a good game!

[Rockhopper]

hello, villagers of town 2037!

First!

VOTE: Dunnstral

That move you pulled in the newbie with me and Bailey was foul.

hmm.. what move tho?
and why does it warrant a vote here?

[Billy Pilgrim]

hello, villagers of town 2037!

First!

VOTE: Dunnstral

That move you pulled in the newbie with me and Bailey was foul.

hmm.. what move tho?
and why does it warrant a vote here?

It was a game where him and Blatant Scum were both goons. D1 ended on what I would say was an objectively bad elim of a claimed cop. On D2, BS and another player were the main wagons and BS claimed doc as he was dying. Dunn counter claimed him which led to BS's elim and got Dunn 2 more mis-elims. I had thought that may have been what was going on, but let myself get talked out of it and he eased through ELO. Its Newbie 1970 in both our past topics if you wanna read it.

As for your second question, your join date made me thought this was BS. But it looks like this is actually your first game. Read Micc's post above on how these games usually get kicked off in what is called a random voting stage. This is a game where we don't start with any information and we progressively get more.

[Rockhopper]

hello, villagers of town 2037!

First!

VOTE: Dunnstral

That move you pulled in the newbie with me and Bailey was foul.

hmm.. what move tho?
and why does it warrant a vote here?

It was a game where him and Blatant Scum were both goons. D1 ended on what I would say was an objectively bad elim of a claimed cop. On D2, BS and another player were the main wagons and BS claimed doc as he was dying. Dunn counter claimed him which led to BS's elim and got Dunn 2 more mis-elims. I had thought that may have been what was going on, but let myself get talked out of it and he eased through ELO. Its Newbie 1970 in both our past topics if you wanna read it.

As for your second question, your join date made me thought this was BS. But it looks like this is actually your first game. Read Micc's post above on how these games usually get kicked off in what is called a random voting stage. This is a game where we don't start with any information and we progressively get more.

interesting. also yeah, im aware of RVS. i was just wondering if you wanted to push a policy elim or something of that sort. it's good that you established your insight into his meta, guess that could be pretty useful given that hes an SE.

[Rockhopper]

so what was your motivation for joining a newbie game in particular?

[Billy Pilgrim]

so what was your motivation for joining a newbie game in particular?

I like the site, so I like to bring new people into it. Also, I think im not that toxic a player, so hopefully I can both pass that on and give people a sense of what this insanely difficult game is like.

What are these questions giving you?

[Billy Pilgrim]

hello, villagers of town 2037!

First!

VOTE: Dunnstral

That move you pulled in the newbie with me and Bailey was foul.

hmm.. what move tho?
and why does it warrant a vote here?

It was a game where him and Blatant Scum were both goons. D1 ended on what I would say was an objectively bad elim of a claimed cop. On D2, BS and another player were the main wagons and BS claimed doc as he was dying. Dunn counter claimed him which led to BS's elim and got Dunn 2 more mis-elims. I had thought that may have been what was going on, but let myself get talked out of it and he eased through ELO. Its Newbie 1970 in both our past topics if you wanna read it.

As for your second question, your join date made me thought this was BS. But it looks like this is actually your first game. Read Micc's post above on how these games usually get kicked off in what is called a random voting stage. This is a game where we don't start with any information and we progressively get more.

interesting. also yeah, im aware of RVS. i was just wondering if you wanted to push a policy elim or something of that sort. it's good that you established your insight into his meta, guess that could be pretty useful given that hes an SE.

Also, I dont know how much of that was his meta. The idea came from BS in that game. Also, it was pretty well setup for it. Funny story, Micc was also in that game, so we've got three of the relevant people in this thread.

Why did you think I was pushing a policy elim?

[MiniMegabyte]

Hey everyone! This is a fairly new player list how exciting

VOTE: Italiano

[Rockhopper]

so what was your motivation for joining a newbie game in particular?

I like the site, so I like to bring new people into it. Also, I think im not that toxic a player, so hopefully I can both pass that on and give people a sense of what this insanely difficult game is like.

What are these questions giving you?

that's cool, i respect that. i think its very much possible that an experienced mafia player can experiment with different playstyles here, in which case metareading them wouldn't be as effective, if that makes any sense.

[Rockhopper]

Why did you think I was pushing a policy elim?

i didn't, i was just wondering if that was the case

[Norfolk Boy1]

that's cool, i respect that. i think its very much possible that an experienced mafia player can experiment with different playstyles here, in which case metareading them wouldn't be as effective, if that makes any sense.

Don't hang your hat on meta. I'm amazed how much stock is put into it on this site.

[padwag]

VOTE: bakslash

[Bakslash]

VOTE: bakslash

?

[padwag]

I am testing reactions

[Billy Pilgrim]

VOTE: padwag

[Billy Pilgrim]

Actually no, this was worse

VOTE: bakslash

[Facebones]

Hello everyone :^) it's my first time, please be gentle. Apologies in advance if I'm kinda unhelpful, still coming to grips with the whole game